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kaiburr77
 Global user (6/29/00 7:28:01 am) Reply | Edit | Del All |
Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
I am currently seeking anyone who might have knowledge of which kits were bashed for the original model. I've acquired only a few of the necessary models for it's bits and bobs. If any of you have any ideas please clue me in. You're my only hope! Forcefully, Nathan
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| sjanish
Moderator (11/18/99 10:38:44 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
So which have you acquired? Did you see my post where I listed all of the kits that boba_flint thinks were used? Scott s_janish@hotmail.com
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| Cerney1
Global user (11/18/99 12:02:24 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
KITS
NO...but list those kits..Ill see hwat I have for reference... also any kits lis tfor the FALCON!! 32 incher!!
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| sjanish
Moderator (11/18/99 12:38:31 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
KITS
Frank boba_flint posted these a couple weeks back. I don't know...I'm debating if I want to get into this aspect of props. I say that after I already have a couple of the kits for a TIE Bomber. I don't really have any good places right now to look for parts, and honestly I don't really know how you guys do it. Do you just look at boxes? Completed kits? Unassembled kits? It seems like such an overwhelming task. Still, I am intrigued by the studio scale and would like to know more. Here is the list of kits for the xwing: 1/72 Hasegawa M-1 Abrams Tank 1/24 Airfix Hurricane WWII Fighter Plane 1/24 Airfix Metshersmichdt(sp?) 1/32 Revell F-4 Phanotom(the original has been canceled but can be found on the collectors market ? landing gear from a German WWII bomber ? a couple more 1/72 tanks I would be intersted in hearing any additions you may have and any info you may have about other studio scale. I've got this list and one for the TIE Bomber. You are working on the falcon, someone should archive this stuff. Scott s_janish@hotmail.com
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| stonky
Local user (11/18/99 2:40:36 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Hi kaiburr77, Check out this link: http://www.starshipmodeler.com/gallery/bg_xwing.htm I think they did a reasonable job, and used many of the same kits that ILM originally used. Turned out much better than the off the shelf version. stonky
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| Cerney1
Global user (11/18/99 3:41:00 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
kits
Oh..THATS teh 1/24...the ICONS one right? I started one based on the OLD Estes XWING Rocket Did you get the strip behind R2? Its the deck from teh SCHWORNHORTS.\How about the saturn 5 hull for the engines? or the saturn rocket nozzles for the xwing engine diffusers? Or the heat sinks for the gun flanges?
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| kaiburr77
Global user (11/18/99 4:54:15 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
X-Wing
inquiry
Is the Schwornhonts deck part of a ship model or carrier? Can't find the heat sink bits but I heard part of the engine details are from antiquated HP printer spools. Yes, I have located the Messer BF109E, the Hurricane, and Phantom2 kits and Saturn V. I must find out which tank kits to get. The 1/72 sherman manufacturer eludes me. I picked up a Matchbox kit but it's wrong so I need to find the one with the slanted front rather than the curved one (for the butt cap). I have some doubts as to whether the Abrams M-1 tank was used given that it didn't really see action until practically the Gulf War and this model was built in the seventies (though some kits do proceed manufactering as prototypes, ect.). I'll of course be catologueing the hell out of this project for everyone interested. It's turning into an all out obsession of mine (like my Vader project was) so you can count on an expose of sorts!
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| sjanish
Moderator (11/18/99 5:01:52 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-Wing
inquiry
For the armor kits I would focus on Hasegawa and Tamyia(sp) or any other companies that may have re-released some of thier kits. Maybe it is just a gut feeling, but there seems to be a common theme, training remote, TIE Bomber...any others? Not only that, but it seems to me like both of those have been around for awhile dealing in armor kits. Airfix is another one that seems to be a recurring name. Scott s_janish@hotmail.com
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| kaiburr77
Global user (11/18/99 5:20:18 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Stonky's
surprise
Thanks for the lead to that Maxi-Brute page, Stonky. He did a great job on it. A few years ago, I had started with this styrene badboy too but have instead began using Hasbro's Deluxe X-Wing toy as a base. The shape is definately more accurate and less flimsy. He did use the ultimate paint though. ILM used those muted floquil railroad colours almost exclusively on the film models.Wonderful work on that ship! I wonder what he used for his Artoo. I used the Rose Art rubber stamp someone recommended and made resin casts. It works to scale almost perfectly. \ Nathan
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| Boba
Flint Local user (11/18/99 6:39:35 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Stonky's
surprise
Kaiburr77, I believe it's an M-1 Abrams, it might be M-4 a tank that was used in WWII. The kit is somewhere in my attic. It's a Hasegawa 1/72 scale kit. The main hull of the tank is what was used to detail the back of the X-wing. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Cerney1
Global user (11/19/99 2:18:49 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
DECK
Its the deck...the actual strip all that stuff sits on is a ship model. The last rear part is an elavator from a model as well. Ticonderoga Carrier...yes I know its a cruiser....I am a Naval Officer...its also a carrier. Frank
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| kaiburr77
Global user (11/19/99 4:30:34 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Ticonderoga
Thanks Frank! I was wondering about that elevator part. As far as the Tigonderoga manufacturer goes, any clues? I am in unfamiliar waters (no pun intended) here regarding Naval models. You seem to be a great resourse to the board in terms of part recognition (the Remote is fantastic, BTW). Oh the money I'll be spending! Do you own any of these kits or pieces? Nathan
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| kaiburr77
Global user (11/19/99 4:36:56 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Tanks! You're
velcome.
Boba Flint, Thanks for your help. I think however that the back part is a Sherman 1/72 tank. It has that unique "flipped up" rear side. Food for thought... Let's eat! Nathan
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| Boba
Flint Local user (11/19/99 10:09:24 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Tanks!
You're velcome.
What kind of kits are the Schwornhonts and Messer BF109E? Who makes them? I'd like to know so I could keep an eye out for them. Thanks "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Cerney1
Global user (12/6/99 3:16:28 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
PAWTS!
Actually...The Messer is a HUUUGE model in terms of size and $$$$, I worked at a hobby store..and they let me "open and mold". I have actually built the strip behind R2. Its all there. Ill dig it out and scan it. The only parts I could not find was the lil square thingy with the two circles on it...so I did what any honest respectible model builder would do...and (molded that part of the ICONS?....no...) I did it from scratch. Come to think of it..there was another part I could not find......the cone thing...I did mold that of the ICONS...woops.
Edited by Cerney1
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| Cerney1
Global user (11/19/99 10:27:09 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Kaiiburr
Well...thank you for the nice words. Im a good source cuz I was lucky enough to become friends with Tim Ketzer. He taught me alot re: how ILM made models and specifically what they used for many things. I think the TICO was Tamiya....1/700 scale? there are not too many of them. For all you builders...EBAY is an incredible source for hard to find kits. try it..let me know how you do. Frank
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| Jeeves
Global user (11/19/99 1:46:02 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
X-wing
project??
I agree wholeheartedly with Kalibur's review of that Maxi-Brute on Starship Modeler. I saw that about 2 weeks ago, and had to write the builder to tell him how great it was. Turns out he works at ILM, so that may explain the quality of that paint job, and his access to good reference material. Anyhow, if anyone wants to email the guy, he seems to be pretty nice. He may share parts info that he has. Here's his email mailto:Gerachi@aol.com-- I recommend that ONLY ONE of us emails him (someone who has already done some of the work on this, so we don't come across as asking for EVERYTHING) and pick his brains on the unknown parts. That way we'll keep from bombing him with emails, and he'll be more willing to help. Who should email him?? Kalibur? Scott?? Frank??? Then, the emailer can SHARE! Once the parts are isolated, then we can talk about the possibility of one of the better casters out there doing some parts kits for us! ps Frank, I emailed you RE: buying one of your castings. --Jeeves
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| sjanish
Moderator (11/19/99 2:02:51 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
project??
If we are picking one person I would vote for Kalibur, boba_flint, or Frank to do it. Of course we all know Frank has already zipped off an email about the falcon to the guy. ;) I haven't done any modeling since high school and I really wasn't very good at it. The studio scale really intrigues me and I am thinking about trying to waste some of my money on it. Still, I am flatterd that you mention my name with those others. ;) Scott s_janish@hotmail.com
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| Cerney1
Global user (11/19/99 3:48:06 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Email
Ill write him....everyone post here what you want tme to ask him. Frank
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| sjanish
Moderator (11/19/99 3:56:07 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Email
Try to make freinds with him, tell him about the board. If he is interested in being a part of the group he could be a great resource and maybe could even learn a thing or two from us. Other than that, I guess see if he would be willing to talk/swap parts lists for things. Sorry I don't have any specific questions... Scott s_janish@hotmail.com
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| kaiburr77
Global user (11/19/99 9:15:16 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
ATTN:
Cerney
Of course I'd buy the top from you for $10. Certainly well worth it to me. And if you guys elect me to contact him for an exhastive Q & A, I'd be most obliged. I have another reference sourse as well helping me sort out the pieces so once they're compiled, I'll post some photos he sent me (provided he allows this). He owns a pull from the real McCoy. Thanks for picking up the slack of this one, boys! This information is invaluable. Nathan
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| kaiburr77
Global user (11/20/99 8:00:40 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
laser cannon
Question
Do you guys know if the cannons are a heat sink part or an old printer spool? Also, is this the same part used in the inner jet (P2) detail? I have yet to find this part. You know the sort of cog-like bit with the ring wrapped around it? It seems very familiar to me but I could be mistaken. Any word from our mystery ILMer? Nathan
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| Cerney1
Global user (11/20/99 3:19:39 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
HEAT
SINK
Do you guys know if the cannons are a heat sink part or an old printer spool? Heat sink. I have a few....wanna see one? How do I post a pic here? Also, is this the same part used in the inner jet (P2) detail? YEP!!!!!!!!!! I have yet to find this part. You know the sort of cog-like bit with the ring wrapped around it? ???Not sure what you mean. It seems very familiar to me but I could be mistaken. Any word from our mystery ILMer? Wait for more questions..Ill write him tonight..MEAN while..a buddy has been contacted by ILM to build the OKLAHOMA hull for new Peral Harbor Moive Cool huh> hope he gets it.
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| kaiburr77
Global user (11/20/99 5:03:19 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: HEAT
SINK
Frank, any hint as to who this "buddy" is? Is it the previously mentioned Ketzer. Man, I'm in the wrong state altogether! My collaborator on models worked a bit on the original trench battle in SW and I keep telling him to move back to California and build models with his one-time summer job alumni.He fears practical model making has become an antiquated art and stories of other talented modellers finding spfx work is inspiring to say the least! As far as the heat sink goes, I'd absolutely love one to cast. Please email me with your addy so we can chat. I'll send you a check for the detail behind Artoo as soon as you want. I do a great job resin casting parts and also learned much from my friend in the art of model making so I will be saving all the silicon molds for these parts. If a "build your own X-Wing" kit sounds desirable to some of you, one will be in the works with the information being the board's domain. Thanks again, Nathan mailto:nkhyber@aol.com
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| Boba
Flint Local user (11/20/99 7:01:45 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: HEAT
SINK
Yes I would be interested in a "build your own X-wing " kit. It would be something I would like to do in the future. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| kaiburr77
Global user (11/20/99 11:28:25 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Crack
Smoking
Well apparently I have been out of my head working with the Hasbro toy all along. I've made new measurments and must start all over again on the body...using the good old Maxi-Brute Estes rocket. After enlarging a photo referenced along side a ruler, the Hasbro ship is NOT the most accurate shape as I falsely claimed in an earlier post. Not that the Estes is perfect either but is a much better start than the toy. I hope know one is following my lead. The only good thing is that I made my @#%$ on the large side of things and I won't have to start over on it. This ship is hard to find but well worth the effort. Nathan
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| Cerney1
Global user (11/21/99 12:31:33 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Buddy?
Frank, any hint as to who this "buddy" is? Is it the previously mentioned Ketzer. Man, I'm in the wrong state altogether! Who's Buddy? Tim? Tim and I are great freinds. My collaborator on models worked a bit on the original trench battle in SW and I keep telling him to move back to California and build models with his one-time summer job alumni.He fears practical model making has become an antiquated art and stories of other talented modellers finding spfx work is inspiring to say the least! Most model builders I know...are out of work. As far as the heat sink goes, I'd absolutely love one to cast. WHY? just go to any electronic store..and buy 8. a "build your own X-Wing" kit sounds desirable to some of you, one will be in the works with the information being the board's domain. We should joing forces. Call me sometime Ill email my # Frank
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| kaiburr77
Global user (11/21/99 9:28:03 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Buddy?
Will do, Frank! Perhaps early next week. I'm off to Radio Shack. Nathan nkhyber@aol.com
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| Cerney1 Global user (11/22/99 2:22:07 am) Reply | Edit | Del  |
Re:
Email
I wrote him...no word yet
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| kaiburr77
Global user (11/22/99 8:35:10 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Email
Having a hard time locating those heat sinks. Does the part also include the wrapparound bit as seen on the gun flange? nathan
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| kaiburr77
Global user (11/24/99 2:18:09 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Plane
Models found
Yee Haaaw! I finally got my Messerschmitt and Hurricane Mk1 models today. They are amazing kits in their own right. Can I build anything else out of them as in addition to the X-Wing? I think the Messer was used to embelish the Tie Bomber. Any other reasons to keep them, apart from the fact that they're so damned cool? BTW, does anyone know what plane appeared in the Last Crudade diving through that tunnel? Was it actually referred to as a Pilatus as the Archives book states, and if so who made it? That would be another great project (like I don't already have enough...) Cheers, Nathan nkhyber@aol.com
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| Cerney1 Global user (11 /25/99 2:36:11 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Plane
Models found
FINALLY!!! I looked everywhere.....but here is the master I made for the strip behind R2. Notice its the WRAP around version. Some of the parts are fromd a LARGE harrier model. Check it out...Ill mold it this weekend. http://members.aol.com/cerney831/r2strip.jpg Frank Cerney |
| Boba
Flint Local user (11/25/99 5:28:20 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Plane
Models found
I want one!!!! boba_flint@hotmail.com "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| kaiburr77
Global user (11/25/99 6:49:30 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Plane
Models found
Looks excellent Frank! Definately a problem stopper.
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| Cerney1 Global user (11/25/99 12:55:05 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Plane
Models found
Im molding it this weekend. Send me a check for 10 bucks...plus a buck for shipping (11. 00 total for you math wizards)...and Ill have it right out to you. Oh...I have castings of...(drun roll) the REAL R2..and the REAL Pilot. The pilot is kinda rough we might be better off finding the race car he came out of. Frank Cerney 451 Stedman Pl Monrovia Ca 91016 Frank Cerney Edited by Cerney1
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Treadwell
 Global user (11/25/99 1:19:45 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Plane
Models found
Great, Frank, thanks for offering this stuff! How much should I add for you to include the R2 and pilot? Any other parts casted yet? ...or do ya think you'll have a kit down the line with a buncha parts that I should just hold off for? (And didn't someone say in another thread they have the nose cone?) (BTW, Frank, you have chromed rims available for the training remote? I thought they were unchromed so I didnt get any before....) -Jay Pennington See the Star Wars Special Edition FAQs in Treadwell's Techdome! |
| Boba
Flint Local user (11/25/99 5:36:05 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Plane
Models found
Frank I hope you make a mold of the R2 unit as well. I'd buy 2 of them, one for the X-wing and the other for a future Y-wing. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Cerney1 Global user (11/25/99 9:24:49 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Plane
Models found
Well.....I have molds of the ICONS R2 as well. Hate to admit it...but could not resist molding him when I had the ship for a while. Sold it...wish I hadnt, The real R2....needs some cleanup....but...something genuine about him. Might offer both togther as a set. Few of us are about to do this head on...and will be offering parts...stay tuned.... Frank Cerney |
Sith
Sheriff Brody  Global user (11/26/99 3:17:49 pm) Reply | Edit | Del  |
AMT-Ertl
Kit
I have the 20th Anniversary AMT-Ertl kit, and I thought that was big, but it's only about 11 inches long. I don't really mind, because I got it for a steal and I'm not out to build a studio-type model; but the Estes Maxi-Brute must be huge! Good luck on all of your models, I was going to go for some of those detail parts, but I realize now they won't fit. -SSB
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| kaiburr77
Global user (11/26/99 3:41:45 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:Artoo and
friend
Great Frank! Check's in the mail! I'll start searching for right race car driver, (for the purists) but a really good resin figure in proper attire would be my aim. The @#%$ I have been scratchbuilding is miles closer to the full size X-Wing then the model, complete with all those amazing angles. I'm gonna use lightsheet and fibre optics inside (thanks for the tip, Frank) and re-do the hyperdrive assembly. The Artoo would be great for other 1/24 scale ships also but I think the Y-Wing is 1/48 scale (studio model). That doesn't mean you HAVE to stick by that. But it would be much easier to collect all the right parts that way. I may try to do the Naboo N1 at some time in 1/24 to sit along side the X-Wing. Or the Z-95 but I think the Artoo is enclosed on that one. Either way, the Artoo is an excellent part to cast up. I just cast up a resin version of the Rose Art Artoo stamp and found it a fantastic alternative and is about the right size. Nathan
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| kaiburr77
Global user (11/26/99 3:49:52 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:Artoo and
friend
This message board subbed out the word c o c k p i t and replaced it with cartoon cussing symbols in my last post! HaHAHA!!! That Kills me! Thought I'd share. Nathan
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| Cerney1 Global user (11/26/99 4:14:34 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:Artoo and
friend
The 1/48th R2...There were some toys out long ago...and the R2 was a dead on scale. Ill have to dig it out. Anyone have that ELECTRNIC WING OPENING model from ERTL?? was it any good? PS...found my R2 Strip mold....I hate moving..you misplace everything... Ill be casting this weekend. Frank Frank Cerney |
| Whistler1969
Global user (11/26/99 5:45:08 pm) Reply | Edit | Del  |
Re:Artoo and
friend
>> Anyone have that ELECTRNIC WING OPENING model from ERTL?? was it any good? I have that one, Frank, got it cheap on ebay. Although the detail is nice, the electronics are crap - but they give you a good hint how to do it. Thomas check out my webpage - Hollywood Hardware - Movie props |
| stonky
Local user (11/26/99 6:08:17 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:Artoo and
friend
Thr proportions in the large ERTL kit are off in the same way they are in the smaller kit. ie. fuselage too long, engine intakes not large enough in diameter, etc. stonky
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| kaiburr77
Global user (11/28/99 12:50:14 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:Artoo and
friend
That's too bad. Is this kit still in print? I wonder if anything is salvagable on it electronic-wise? Nathan
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| Cerney1 Global user (11/28/99 12:05:20 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:Artoo and
friend
thats a good question. I heard the kit was the MPC was scaled up? WHO here has PART or knows what parts are ont eh XWING besides the few on this thread? I think I have the R2 Strip covered. By the way...the small gey boxes..are from a harrier model. Fuel pump if I remember right. Anyways its the BIG Harrier..the one you need for yout ATAT that we are building next. Frank Cerney |
| Boba
Flint Local user (11/28/99 4:45:48 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
x-wing
A while back when I started gathering resources I made a wing. It doesn't have all the details on it but perhaps it will help. I'll try to get some pics of it for your evaluation. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Cerney1 Global user (11/28/99 7:47:01 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
x-wing
Lets see it!!!!!! Frank Cerney |
| Flintlock
Global user (12/1/99 12:12:39 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
hello
all
Hello. Thanks to Boba Flint I found this place! This message thread seems to be the most valuable resource for the X-Wing on the net... has to be. I've been studying the Y-Wing for years now, and decided that since I've got the Saturn Rocket parts and the Maxi-Brute to just go ahead and build both of them. I'm afraid that I don't have as much info as you guys do, but I would appreciate the help. Cerney, you'll be getting a check from me :) - The ot her Flint -
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| uzth4s
Global user (12/1/99 7:01:53 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Icons
X-wing
I dunno if anybody is working on molding the Icons X-wing fuselage for this project. Or building one based on the Icons X-wing, but here's something that would be important to know... The Icons X-wing fuselage is 1" (ONE INCH !!!) shorter than the original screen used model. The reason for this is: Icons used a model that was exploded during the making of ANH. They glued it back together, molded it, then cleaned up the casting and molded that again. It shrunk. TWICE. Tim
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| Flintlock
Global user (12/2/99 12:22:26 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Messerschmitt
and Hurricane
Went to the hobby shop and 2 airfix kits caught my eye. They were the 1/24 Messerschmitt and Hurricane. So I payed 50 bucks for each, but I'm not crying because the Hurricane has some parts needed for the Y-Wing. Of course everyone probably knew this already, but if perhaps you didn't it will help you out if anyone else is building one. Is anyone sure of the 1/72 tank kit yet? - Flint 2-
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| stonky
Local user (12/2/99 12:36:34 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
cannons
Needless to say, but anyone using the Maxi-Brute or ERTL kits as a starter should immediately trash the cannons and replace them with copper or aluminum tubing. Maybe aluminum - easier to work with, I think. stonky
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| kaiburr77
Global user (12/2/99 3:55:43 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:Tanks...
you're velcome!
Frank, Which company built the Harrier? I'll have a gander around this town and see what I can find. Flintlock, I'm pretty sure the 1/72 tank is the Airfix Sherman. It's in the mail. I'll be sure in a few days. It is the one with the slanted front as opposed to the one with the slope as put out by Matchbox. As for the Y-Wing, which parts of the Hurricane were used and on which section? Nathan nkhyber@aol.com
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| Boba
Flint Local user (12/2/99 9:41:20 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:Tanks...
you're velcome!
The Sherman tank I bought is by Hasegawa. It looks to be the correct one. Well it matches the detail on the Icons version. Ehat about that circular thing that is in the middle of the back detail? It looks like a hatch of some kind. Anyone know what it is? Kaiburr77, I think the harrier is an old 1/32 by Revell. I remember having one long ago and it had you build the engine for it. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
DARKSIDE72
 Global user (12/2/99 10:22:00 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Had to jump
onboard...
Several of you have mentioned a 1/32 scale revell harrier, I have this kit Its big,about 14-17 inches long.I've been building models since 75-76.My mothers attic is full of them ,jets,ww2 planes ,tanks,ships.Is there anyway someone can post what known kits were used for the x-wing,y-wing,atat,whatever.I will then see what I have,disasemble them and send the various parts to someone who can cast them,Frank?I would like to help if I can.I too would like to build the studio scale models, but have held off for lack of information.Now things are really looking up.Jamie http://community.webtv.net/JAMIEMAIL/REALSTERLING
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| uzth4s
Global user (12/2/99 11:18:05 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Had to
jump onboard...
ILM used a lot of large scale ARIFIX Harrier kits. They are on the ATAT and the Sandcrawler... I don't know anything about the Revell Harrier. I like DARKSIDE72's idea of molding those parts. Does anybody own the 1:12 Tamiya Porsche Jaegermeister? Tim
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| Flintlock
Global user (12/2/99 12:40:08 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Had to
jump onboard...
DARKSIDE72, the most kits I know are for the Y-Wing, but still it isn't many. The only two I know for sure is the Airfix or Monogram Saturn V kit and the Airfix Hawker Hurricane - the one they have been mentioning for the X-Wing. I know that the butt detail is from a 1/35 Tamiya panther or a panzer. Not sure which one, but I have the (Sd.kfz.171) Ausf.A and it is the one used on the back of the 5 foot falcon. Kalibur, The parts used for the Y from the Hurricane are the Engine halves, and the oil pan. Really 2 kits are needed because 2 oil pans lay on top of the back of the body, and 4 engine halves lay on the wings near the body - 2 on top and 2 underneath.
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| Cerney1 Global user (12/2/99 1:18:06 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:Tanks...
you're velcome!
AIRFIX built the harrier I think...Ill have to dig it out...its a HUUUUUGE kit. The Sherman is 1/76 iarfix also I think Frank Frank Cerney |
| Cerney1 Global user (12/2/99 1:24:30 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Had to
jump onboard...
Flint...dont get two kits..just make molds of your parts. Lets all List Kits..and peices for building the Y and X. And also note what you already have. We can mold and swap.....I dont mind molding..I have a vac chamber for rubber..so I get real nice molds. ALso....I use SLOW kicking resin....work out all the bubbles..and sometime Ill pressure cast with my pressure pot. Panther on Five Footer Xwing? Doesnt suprise me...lets concentrate on the small 1/24 one. The parts are different and I dont want to confuse everyone. Ill list stuff here when I get home... Frank Frank Cerney |
| DARKSIDE72
Global user (12/2/99 5:14:01 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Harrier
Dont hold me to the revell,It just rung a bell.All I know is that it IS huge for a harrier and that the engine was a separate peice.The exhost nosels move also.Did someone mention an old F-4 phantom?I have a 1/32 phantom,Monogram I think.Jamie http://community.webtv.net/JAMIEMAIL/REALSTERLING
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| kaiburr77
Global user (12/2/99 5:38:53 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
X-Wing
Definately hold onto or cast the fuselage of that f-4. Of course, that was the X-Wing's jets. Now we're getting somewhere! The Harrier models are out there and I'm finding them. Tim, Out of curiosity, what do you need the Porche Jaegermeister kit for? Is this a Falcon piece? Another generous prop guy on the web is sending me castings of the heat sinks so I'll have those guns together sooner. Stonky is right about the replacement of metal on the barrels.Much better to work with. Nathan
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| sjanish
Moderator (12/2/99 5:50:32 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Had to
jump onboard...
Okay...I typed up a list of all that I know, alot comes from this thread, and what doesn't comes from boba_flint. I put it up as a webpage. http://s-janish.tamu.edu/studio/index.html It is by no means complete and probably has a bunch of mistakes. Oh...it's really boring too, no bells or whistles, just lists. I'll try and update them with anything new that pops up in this thread or anywhere else. Feel free to let me know of any corrections I should make or if you have anything to add. Scott s_janish@hotmail.com
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| uzth4s
Global user (12/2/99 7:14:49 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
1:12
Jaegermeister Porsche
The 1:12 Jaegermeister Porsche is NOT! used for the 32" Falcon. I actually bought one at one point for my Falcon for 120 bucks. I thought that the engine block was used for the side-detail on the 32" Falcon. But it was the wrong scale. So I returned it. (the right size would be 1:8 scale. I think) Now I need the Porsche kit for the engine block on the ERTL Falcon that I am converting. It is a little too big, but good enough. Tim
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| Boba
Flint Local user (12/2/99 7:23:39 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Had to
jump onboard...
What is needed from the F-4 is the removable engine. I bought a couple at a model show to try and make the complete X-wing engine. I'd say it's about 70% finished. I also have a 1 part mold (somewhere) of part of the F-4 engine. This is to be used for the underside of the X-wing..wing where half of the engine is exposed. So I can provide castings of that part for those that need it. Scott, please remove the m-1 abrams from the list it is not used. The M-4 Sherman was. I got the names mixed up. :) boba_flint@hotmail.com "Learn not...live not, my master always says." Edited by Boba
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| kaiburr77
Global user (12/2/99 7:23:34 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Had to
jump onboard...
Thanks, Boba Flint. That would be bitchin'! Let me know how it goes. nathan
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| kaiburr77
Global user (12/2/99 7:35:48 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Had to
jump onboard...
Scott, Your list mentions a Dragster kit for the X-Wing. Are you sure about this or is your reference concerning the Colin Cantwell prototype model? If a racecar was used, which part of the X-Wing does this entail? Nathan
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| Cerney1 Global user (12/2/99 7:40:33 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Had to
jump onboard...
Scott....put your email link on that list of parts..so we can send you inputs... The Falcon...not sure as to scale..just put 5 foot or 32 incher Frank Cerney |
| Boba
Flint Local user (12/2/99 9:34:35 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Ahhhh podoo!!! I can't find the mold. :( I guess that means I'll have to make a new one. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Flintlock
Global user (12/2/99 10:20:55 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Had to
jump onboard...
Actually Cerney, the Panther Kit was used on the 5 foot Millennium Falcon... in 3 places behind the 3 back intake fans. I'm not going to get 2 kits... don't know if I can afford that. But, I don't have any molding materials either! I am not very experienced or as old as some of you guys... But I have an eye for detail and like comparing parts. So, I may be able to help just a bit.
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| Flintlock
Global user (12/2/99 11:07:50 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Had to
jump onboard...
Don't wanna take too much room, but I wanted to know a couple of things. Does anyone know what kit those parts on the Y-Wing that go on the T-Rod and onto the L'Eggs containers is from? No one seems to know this kit. There are 8 of them, and they also appear on the back of the Falcon. There is another piece that shares fame on both of these models. It is a round piece that is between the Hurricane oil pans on one Y-Wing (can be seen clearly in a bluish color in the Star Wars to Indy book, page 32) and it is also on the Back of the Falcon a number of times. You guys know what piece I refer to? Also, is anyone casting the Revell Phantom engines for the X-Wing? Hurricane parts that go on the Y-Wing?
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| Cerney1 Global user (12/3/99 10:37:07 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Had to
jump onboard...
FLint... Roger that! I know the 5 footer has all sorts of larger scale tanks all over it. The Y wing parts...a friend knows what they are I will ask. I have the Phantom Exhaust molded...I have an engine....I also have 12 heat sinks...sounds like a kit is in order.Ill mold em up this wekend..and get you all a price. Something reasonable...but worth my time. Frank Frank Cerney |
| sjanish
Moderator (12/3/99 10:39:04 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Had to
jump onboard...
Okay, I put an email link there for people to email me. If the page is a hit I will make a contributers page and put links/email addys for people if they want. I don't know if this is right, but I have always assumed the t-rods on the Y-wing are just Plastruct T shaped rods. Check out a hobby store or the Plastruct catalog. Can anyone confirm/deny this? Scott s_janish@hotmail.com
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| Boba
Flint Local user (12/3/99 10:43:58 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
X-wing
You da man Frank!
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| Flintlock
Global user (12/3/99 2:09:19 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Y-Wing
parts
Thanks Frank! I've wanted to know what those parts are from for a while now. I'll be watching for word on your molds. By the way, does anyone know where I can get the molding materials?
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| Cerney1 Global user (12/3/99 3:47:29 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Y-Wing
parts
Mold supplies...there is a link in my ball article. Ace resin..great beginner kits. Frank Frank Cerney |
| Boba
Flint Local user (12/3/99 10:22:23 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
x-wing
I've been meaning to ask.. what part of the X-wings are these heat sinks used for? also it looks like I've tracked down a maxi-brute estes rocket. Besides the fuselage is there anything else that can be used from this kit? "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Cerney1 Global user (12/4/99 1:44:35 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Heat
Sink
See that Sprocket gear looking thing on the gun? Now look inside the rear engine?? Same part...see it? Thats what it is used for. Frank Frank Cerney |
| Boba
Flint Local user (12/4/99 6:05:25 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Heat
Sink
Thank you very much Frank. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Flintlock
Global user (12/4/99 6:35:16 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
WB
Y-Wing
Has anyone seen Wolfgang Bitterman's Y-Wing on CultTVMan's "On the Bench"? Well, anyways the body and front section he has looks spectacular, but he needs some L'Eggs domes! He e-mailed me and I told him I would try to find some for him. Can anyone help? I've got two top halves and one bottom half that I am going to hollow cast, but I can't tell when I am going to get the molding kit in...
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| kaiburr77
Global user (12/5/99 3:28:53 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: WB
Y-Wing
I have one Llegs container but need it for my eventual Y. Perhaps I could cast it for him. Do you have an URL so we could see his work? Steve Nieson also did a good job on the Starship Modeller page. Back to the X, still waiting on that Sherman. Does anyone have photos of the ship's underside? That is always the most frustratingly elusive bit on any ship especially when trying to compose the panel line schematics. Nathan
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| Flintlock
Global user (12/5/99 3:50:03 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
WB
Y-Wing
Here, and here (The second of which is in German). I am also throwing together a kit list that tells either part numbers or part descriptions and what model, and where on the model they were used... these are my observations - haven't had a chance to upload. Did anyone read the post on Starship Modeler a while back that had kits listed for the X-Wing? If not, I got the thing copied in my e-mail and I can post it. It mentions a couple of kits that we haven't. As for the underside panels, kaiburr77 - I saw one picture but I can't remember where! Oh well, I'll come across it again and then post it... other than that I may just use the smaller ERTL X-Wing as a guide... if I can find nothing else, what can I do?
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| Homer
Doh Global user (12/5/99 4:11:27 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: WB
Y-Wing
I have seen those Llegs containers at older peoples yard sales all the time. If you live in a warmer part of the country where yard sales are still being held than I would suggest going to them. They can be found at thrift stores as well. I knew what they were used for and wouldve gotten them but I never thought id be able to do this untill now. That and I would look like a weird a$$ pervert. Good luck finding them.
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| kaiburr77
Global user (12/5/99 5:46:34 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: WB
Y-Wing
Flintlock, Thanks for sharing! That guy's work is quite good. The c o c k p i t is stellar. Looks like he went through the trouble of lighting it too. I found the three parts out of the Hurricane kit used on the Y. Any other bits worth note? nathan
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| Flintlock
Global user (12/5/99 4:30:07 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Just a
lil...
There are 16 little ammo box halves that are also in the Hawker kit. Two of them go on the back, on top of that angled structure, to the front and on either side of that short tube sticking out... Hey, did anyone know that the 1/48 scale ERTL X-Wing (now sold as plus pack) was used to detail the Medical Frigate? Check your Star Wars to Indy photos well, and you will see it... They also used 7 Saturn 2nd stages and L'Eggs for the engines... that's how much I look at this stuff :) Then I wonder why I have dreams at night...
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| Flintlock
Global user (12/5/99 4:38:08 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
oops, almost
forgot...
Homer Doh, that is a good idea, but I moved from Florida 6 years ago... If I would have known this stuff then, I would have gotten some... I was only 13 so they may have thought I was up to something... hehehe. I can look around as soon as I find where some places are at... maybe some places sell plastic domes of the exact same shape and size... Thanks for the info. Boba Flint also told me that the 1/35 88mm Gunflak 36/37 was used... I saw a pic of this model and it looks like it has a lot of pieces in it, so I ordered it... in the mail as I type.
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| Boba
Flint Local user (12/5/99 9:49:17 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
my
progress
Well I went to Hobby Lobby today and picked up another Saturn V, and spent most of the day making the engine intakes. They are almost done. :) "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| kaiburr77
Global user (12/7/99 1:31:13 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: my
progress
Bobaflint, Keep me posted on your progress. I've had little time to commit as of late and am eager to live vicariously through other's hobby time! Nathan
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| Cerney1 Global user (12/7/99 10:19:47 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: my
progress
R2 Strips shipped today. Frank Frank Cerney |
| sjanish
Moderator (12/8/99 11:03:53 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Had to
jump onboard...
Okay, I got tired of search for this thread so decided it needed to come back to the top. ;) Has anyone figured out how to use the boards search function? Everytime I try I never get any hits... Anyway, to be ontopic I noticed I never directly answered kaibur77's question to me about the dragster. I don't know, it was just a tidbit of information I heard. I put ?? for things I know next to nothing about. I haven't built any of these, so there is alot I don't know. The intent of the page was simply to actually write the information down someplace for people to see. Some of it may be incomplete, vague, or even plain wrong, I dunno... I hope to start on a TIE Bomber soon as I already have some of the kits.
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| kaiburr77
Global user (12/10/99 1:21:57 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Frank Cerney
rules!
Scott, best of luck on the bomber.I think the dragster was the body of the Colin Cantwell prototype X-Wing now referred to as the Z-95 Headhunter. It would be nice to know which car was used. He built most of ANH's prototypes such as the Skyhopper model Luke plays with. I just recieved Frank's R2 strip today and let me say his casting is flawless. I encourage anyone with some extra dosh to fly it his way as this piece is very well done. On another note, does anyone know if the Y-Wings were made in another scale other than the tiny one and the 1/48 scale studio models? I'd eventually like to match scale with the X-Wing and make an even bigger Y-Wing model to display together. If a biggie was made, I'd like to know for reference sake! Nathan nkhyber@aol.com
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| Flintlock
Global user (12/10/99 2:31:13 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Larger
Y
Yes, there were larger Y-Wings made. Of the ones I saw, there were 3 gold squadron Y-Wings and one with red markings. The one we have been discussing , with the Hawker Hurricane parts and the Saturn rocket parts is 1/24 - same as the X-Wing (there is a picture in the Star Wars Chronicles where 3 Y-Wings lay next to a row of X-Wings - scale is the same). I didn't know there was a 1/48 scale Y made... who knows any kits used for this one? I got the 88mm Gun Flak 36/37, and so far I have only found parts for the TIE Bomber. Cerney, are you still charging $11 for the detail strip?
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| Darth
Detori Global user (12/10/99 3:12:35 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Larger
Y
wow! 90 posts and still on subject! congratulations! -Fear is my ally- |
| Cerney1 Global user (12/10/99 4:00:16 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
resin
Im putting together a price list for some other parts too. Ill be selling more strips....but might hike the price up. at 11 bucks, by the time I pay the 4.20 postage (forced to go to MAIL BOX ETC vice the POST OFFICE where it would be 3.20 and the 1.80 for the box...I make 5 bucks. SO I might go higher (15.). Not trying to GOUGE...but...I put alot of care into these things. I Spray my mold with Silicone...let it dry...then I dust it with baby powder, then I pour my resin after chilling it....then work out all those freakin airbubbles with a toothpick. For every two I make that are sellable I throw away one. I dont send anyone anything I would not be excited about using myself. I think thats reasonable.....besides....buying all those kits yourself would LOTS Of $$$$. What sayeth the crowd? Frank Cerney |
| Flintlock
Global user (12/10/99 6:18:00 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
resin
I've pretty much already bought all those kits Frank, and yes it was a lot of money. However, I don't have any resin yet, nor do I have any casting experience. That is why I want to buy some castings from you. I will wait till you have the price list though and get what you have to offer. Don't mind paying more for the parts.
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| Boba
Flint Local user (12/10/99 6:24:36 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
resin
That's alot of work Frank.I'm eagerly awaiting the strip I ordered. Kaiburr77, it was my understanding that the X & Y-wings, Ties and even Vader's Tie were all built to the same scale. I have a 1/48 Y-wing that was made by company called SMT. There is no way a 1/48 Y-wing could have been made that scale and use the 1/144 Saturn V rocket. Just my 2 cents. Flintlock the part from the Flack36/37 that I saw used on the Y-wing was part #C 42. You can see it on the Y-wing picture in the Chronicls "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Treadwell
Global user (12/10/99 6:26:17 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
resin
Do whacha gotta do, Frank. I know you won't gouge us. Since you seem to be indicating there will be more parts to come, and I doubt I'll be starting my own W-Wing for quite some time, I'll wait to get all you have to offer in one fell swoop. Meanwhile, I'll continue to lurk in this thread with great interest! :) -Jay Pennington See the Star Wars Special Edition FAQs in Treadwell's Techdome! |
| Cerney1 Global user (12/10/99 6:43:18 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
resin
Thanks guys. I appreciate the support. I hoped to do some casting this weekend...but didn't get to it. Ill have more stuff available after this weekend. Ill keep ya posted. I really only have plans to do the hard to get stuff. So far.. r2 strip r2 Gun engine exhaust rear engines fuselage back plate. @#%$ The saturn 5 stuff is to easily obtainable. Could do it..but at this point all the above and sat parts are basically the whole kit.... ....hey..NOW THERE IS AN IDEA!! Frank Frank Cerney |
| Boba
Flint Local user (12/10/99 6:54:26 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
resin
I'll be the first to say..kick a$$!!! That will definatly help things along. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| kaiburr77
Global user (12/10/99 7:21:59 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
resin
Flint, I stand corrected on the Y-Wing front. That's a relief, considering all the scratch building I'd have to do. I think I was remembering the SMT kit myself (Ah, isn't alzhiemer's great?) Nathan
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| Homer
Doh Global user (12/10/99 7:39:44 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
resin
Hey cerney i'd gladly buy those throw aways off of you to make into a post tie fighter attack x wing. Or are they all in a landfill by now?
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| Cerney1 Global user (12/10/99 11:07:34 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
resin
I have some.....email me. Frank Cerney |
| Flintlock
Global user (12/11/99 4:28:01 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
another
list
In addition to sjanish's list, I have finally uploaded the one I have been working on for a while now. [here] I used to have a page with a list on it a while back, but this one is more complete than that one. The kits and the part ID's here are purely only my observations of the kits I have or have once had, and only that. I was wondering... did anyone get that Sherman? Is it Hasegawa or Tamiya? 1/72 or 1/76? M-1 or M-4? Whichever it is, I think it might have some Y-Wing parts in it as well.
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| Boba
Flint Local user (12/11/99 6:35:13 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: another
list
I just recieved Frank"s R2 strip today. It amazing! Extremly clean casting, NO airbubbles. I look forward to the rest of the parts you will offer Frank. I'm sure whatever price you put on them will be very fair. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| BrokeJedi
Local user (12/12/99 10:25:00 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Found a few
models....
I am not involved w/building an X-Wing like you guys, but, I HAVE been keeping up w/your thread. I used to "kitbash" quite a bit, and have HAD a few of the models mentioned. Still, for old (modeling) times sake, I looked up some of the kits listed...And I don't know if they are still needed, but I'll list the sites/links to the webpages....After 6 pages of posts, I REALLY would like to see someones progress, so far. Good Armor site: http://www.panzerarmyhq.com/ Phantom II 1/32: http://www.hobbylandinc.com/rmx32.htm Panzer Spahwagen 1/35: http://www.hobby1.com/plasticarmor/dmlarmor/dmlfront.htm These next links are 2 auctions on e-bay: Airfix Harrier: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=219104647 Revell Harrier: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=215034814 Hope this helped in some way, and good luck on this KILLER PROJECT!!
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| kaiburr77
Global user (12/13/99 4:03:02 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Found a
few models....
As would I, Broke Jedi and I started the damn thing! The main thing holding me back is the most important element of all...the hull. I mentioned earlier that I have already began twice on the X... One time with the Hasbro ship and the other with the Maxi-Brute but this time I need to get it totally right...so I'm waiting for Frank to cast this bit before I can proceed.Panel lines and dimentions are quite important, so this part is crucial. I can however post a photo of the c o c k p i t soon so you guys can at least see where I'm going with that.Christmas time usually kills any time that I might have had otherwise to actually get hobby stuff done. Thanks for the links! Nathan nkhyber@aol.com
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| Cerney1 Global user (12/13/99 11:43:12 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Found a
few models....
Not sure if I will cast the hull. I have the maxi brute. I want to panel it by hand. I could cast that...but if you are all waiting for me to finsih mine before you start yours...you might wait a while. I have a MILLINEUM FALCON to get going on..the Xwing is going to be my "I need a break from teh Falcon project" Frank Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr77
Global user (12/13/99 2:36:08 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: ATTN:
Cerney....
Understood, Frank. If that's the case then may I ask you for comparison measurments between the studio hull and the Maxi-Brute? Estes seemed to be generally pretty accurate (comically so) with the R2 strip on theirs. I think the body is good as well but the panel lines are the missing ingredient I don't want to get wrong. Perhaps you could supply some all-sides overhead photos of the studio model (especially the bottom, for panel line reference) and I could stop dragging my feet on building it myself.The lines on the bottom rear are particularly elusive. How's the Falcon coming, BTW? nkhyber@aol.com
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| Boba
Flint Local user (12/15/99 6:25:57 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Well I got my Maxi-Brute today. It looks like it will have to be more wook than I though there would be. I'll just wait untill Cerney has the other parts molded, then when I have all the parts I'll work on the fuselage. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| kaiburr77
Global user (12/16/99 3:39:18 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Maxi
Brute
Yes Boba Flint, the Maxi conversion is a hell of a lot of work to fix. I suggest that if you do intend to work with it, brace the insides with chopsticks or something before you styrene-plate it as it's paper thin walls will crack glue lines easily with even the slightest pressure. Mine was also a bit warped after the co ck pit was removed and those side and top panels had to be removed in favour of straight ones. Also I think the tip is wrong somehow and would probably use a modified casting off the Hasbro toy instead. Actually the list is long on things you'd need to do to accurize but it is a good reference for overall size, I guess. Nathan nkhyber@aol.com
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millennium group Global user (12/17/99 6:36:14 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Found a
few models....
Frank, Mark Worley said to say hello! I am new to the list and I was helping Nathan on his X-Wing research but now I need some help. I dont know what parts are under the Sherman tank on the aft of the X-Wing. ??? And what the heck are those things that hold the leggs eggs on the Y-Wing? The neck of the Y-Wing looks to be the 8rad Panser spaswagen chasi minus the side armor fenders. FYI, Im in the middle of a 1:1 replica of the Galactica and talk about insane kit bashing!!! The Japaneese D-51 locomotive was a pain to get and then there are the john Player specials in 1/8 and 1/12 scale ! Im $2,000.00 in the hole for kits so far and more to go! There will be a sit putting up images soon of the process from begining to end! Frank, how do I e-mail you directly? And was it the 1/700 or 1/600 ship deck and Ticonderoga? I can't believe no one remembers the Ticonderoga carrier instead of the Ticonderoga class cruiser!?!?! She's a FFG or DD if I remember? I was on board the Ingersol three years ago in Pearl when a Russian cruiser came in. What a piece of junk! And she could'nt do .5 past wake speed:-) And the stealth cruisers are gorgeous!!! My contact is heracles@gte.net
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| kaiburr77
Global user (12/18/99 2:31:47 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Y-Wing
neck
Mark, do you have any pics of the Spaswagon or is it in your possesion? Sounds great if you're right. That's a big chunk of this thing... About the X, I'm STILL waititig on that Sherman to ship through. Mail this time of year is dreadfully slow. Does anyone have any ejector seat ideas in 1/24 scale that would be close to the X-Wing's squarish seat? I have a roundish auto seat that doesn't look quite right and I'm remiss to scratch building anything I don't have to. Nathan mailto:nkhyber@aol.com
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| Flintlock
Global user (12/18/99 6:39:39 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
ATTN: Tim
Ketzer
I was just wondering if Mr. Ketzer was still floating around out there somewhere... I have a serious question to ask him but it is not on this subject. I have no other way to contact you. kaiburr77, Which sherman are you waiting on? is there any exact info you can tell me about it? Scale? Manufacturer? Kit number? If you could I would appreciate it. Does anyone know anything about the 1/24 or 1/25 British Centurion?
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| Boba
Flint Local user (12/18/99 8:45:30 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: ATTN: Tim
Ketzer
O.k I see there is some talk about the Sherman. The one I bought is by Hasegawa, 1/72. I believe it is the right one. When I compare it to the actual prop pictures I have it looks the same to me. I've seen one of the British Centurions. I might be able to answer your questions. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Flintlock
Global user (12/18/99 10:04:45 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: ATTN: Tim
Ketzer
Thanks Boba, is there anything else you can tell me about the Sherman? M4? what kit#? Was it used on the Y-Wing? Also, what parts from the Centurion are used? For anyone here who is also Building a Y-Wing, I have uploaded a lot of reference pics that I have been scouring the web for. SOME OF THESE PICS ARE FANTASTIC! http://www.geocities.com/r_e_flint/Y-WingRefPics/ I was able to Identify a piece from the Messerschmitt, and also the use of the same heat sinks as the X-Wing. These pics are not copyrighted by me at all. Check them out. P.S. What the heck is a Panzerspahwagen or a Panzersparwagen? And is it "Schwornhorts" or "Scharnhorst"?
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| Cerney1 Global user (12/19/99 12:24:52 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: ATTN: Tim
Ketzer
Flint..those pics ROCK...have any of the skiff? Write me at mailto:Cerney1@aol.com I have Tims email. Frank Frank Cerney |
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millennium group Global user (12/19/99 9:13:09 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Y-Wing
neck
The neck of the 1/24 Y-Wing IS the bottom of the Tamiya 1/35 8rad panzer spazwagen. You cut off the two side armor fenders and you wil lsee right where it goes on the neck:-) I had to buy four of those kits for my Galactica replica! The back hump on top of the Y-Wing loos to be the rear end of the Flak Panzer Gephard 1/35 Tamiya kit. It's used on the Galactica as the main piece for the nose detail:-)
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| Flintlock
Global user (12/19/99 11:58:17 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Y-Wing
neck
Have any pics of that Galactica? Partly because I would like to see it, but also because I would like to see these pieces. As we all know, I am obsessed with the Y-Wing :o). Do you have an idea where I could get the Spahwagen and the Flak Panzer? Is that Spahwagen the railway one, or the dune-buggy looking one? -Flint
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| Boba
Flint Local user (12/19/99 3:18:54 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Y-Wing
neck
O.K Flint (boy that sounds odd coming from me). The Hasegawa box says: M-4 (A3E8) Sherman, 1/72 Kit No. MT15:500 There was only one part I noticed in the Centurion kit for the Y-wing. On one of the pics. you have, on the side of the ship, wher the neck gets bigger, past the R2 unit. There is a rectangular peice that has small details on it. That entire part is from the Centurion, its part of the @#%$ controls for the tank. If you have the Technical Journals the picture of the Y showes that piece again on the wing pylons. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
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millennium group Global user (12/19/99 4:36:46 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Y-Wing
neck
Can I get a kit list from you in regards to the Y-Wing. I have the Centurion and can't seem to find the aprt you mentioned. Anyone know what the parts are from that hold the leggs egg onto the Y-Wing? You know, the ones no one seems to be able to idetify:-)
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millennium group Global user (12/19/99 4:43:16 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Y-Wing
neck
it is a 1/35 Tamiya Schwerer Panzerspahwagen ( 8Rad ) Sdkfz 232 kit number 35036 The part for the neck of the Y-Wing is the Loer hull. The Flakpanzer Gepard is the same mfg and scale. Kit number 35099. Im not sure of the Gepard for the Y-Wing since the part in question has bee assembled on the Galactica along witht he other parts needed but it appeared to be the same. I will send you some BSG picts as soon as Im done with the main body. It's almost ready for the detailing. I have a few more areas of filling and sanding. Then I will publish the raw build before detailing:-)
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| kaiburr77
Global user (12/19/99 11:06:54 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Y-Wing
neck
Fantastic, Mark! Please do post some pictures of that Galactica. I've been dying to see it for some time now.
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| Flintlock
Global user (12/20/99 12:56:50 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Y-Wing
neck
Been wondering what those things are for a while (the ones that go onto the L'Eggs). Yes, it seems no one knows! But what we do know is: Two of the Saturn rockets, An Airfix Messerschmitt Bf 109E, an Airfix Hawker Hurricane (both 1:24) and some tank... Doesn't matter which, but some type of Panzer or Tiger, because the detail on all the Y's are different. Of course, the Spahwagen and Boba said the Sherman (1/72) as well right? That's all I know as of yet... Thanks for that Sherman info Boba! will help out a lot! Cerney, I got some skiff pics, but they are of someone's replica... However, it looks to be so accurate that I think this guy may have some inside connections. He also built a B-Wing "with the same kits ILM used"... is info on these B-Wing kits common?
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| kaiburr77
Global user (12/20/99 5:39:39 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Skiff and
New Y-Wing thread.
Frank, Have you seen the Hobby Japan special Star Wars issue that came out in the eighties? Someone did a rather good job of scratchbuilding the skiff as I recall and even did the characters. I have it if you don't and could fly you some photos if you want them. BTW, Mark and I both agreed that to start a seperate Y-Wing thread might not be such a bad idea. I know a lot of these models pertain to one another, but it's hard to "stay on target" when there's so many ships mentioned. Nathan mailto:nkhyber@aol.com
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| Flintlock
Global user (12/20/99 12:24:06 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Skiff and
New Y-Wing thread.
That sounds great! Who wants to start it?
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| sjanish
Moderator (12/20/99 1:01:39 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Skiff and
New Y-Wing thread.
It's already going, look through the first couple of board pages to find it. Subject is Y-Wing Building.
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| Cerney1 Global user (12/20/99 1:49:35 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Skiff and
New Y-Wing thread.
I have some cool shots of th skiff..and VIDEO...but would love to see that issue..thanks. Frank Frank Cerney |
| Treadwell
Global user (12/20/99 1:58:37 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
sorta OT:
another kitbash find
The last time I visited the Disney/MGM Studios in Orlando (1993) they had a bunch of SW props and models on display near their "backstage tour". Of note were some Death Star panels--labeled as being from SW, but they must've been from ROTJ and/or Star Tours, because they had the R2 strip detail from the X-Wing MPC kit on them. They got a lot of use out of that one! -Jay Pennington See the Star Wars Special Edition FAQs in Treadwell's Techdome! |
| kaiburr77
Global user (12/22/99 1:12:35 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Saturn V
scored!
Just thought I'd yell it out. Incredibly cheap, I might add as the store mismarked it... $20!! Frank, I'll try to get a hold of a scanner and beam the skiff mag photos to you soon. All Y-Wing enthusiasts should check out the other thread. Flintlock is spelling out some serious shi t out for y'all on the topic! Nathan
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| kaiburr77
Global user (12/22/99 3:01:27 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Butt
first!
Does Anyone out there have any idea what the detail below the sherman on the aft is? Those tube-like bits? nathan
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| Boba
Flint Local user (12/27/99 8:11:23 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
X-wing
Kepping the thread alive...
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| Cerney1 Global user (12/27/99 11:47:29 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: TUBE
like
harrier parts? Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr77
Global user (12/28/99 4:07:06 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: TUBE
like
Perhaps they are Harrier parts. I'll try to locate a ship modeller locally and see if I can't pinpoint them. Otherwise, has anyone scratch-built this section? It should be easy to dupe concidering the simplicity of shapes. Nathan
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| Boba
Flint Local user (12/28/99 8:12:38 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
X-wing
I believe Frank said that back part is one of the parts he has and is going to cast for those of us that are interested.
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| Cerney1 Global user (12/28/99 1:46:51 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
X-wing
I molded the Phantom e ngine wing inserts and have a master in works for the actual rear engine. I also have the correct Saturn 5 Rocket, yes, there are slight differences. I only have one so I will include the other two in the kit as well. Basically, Im making a "kit" that includes: Engine inserts Rear engine Rear exhaust fins Heat sink for GUNS Heat sink for Engines flight controls. Ear fuselage plate, its made from some recast parts, and some original model parts, and the MAXI BRUTE rear. Engine Diffuser top and bottom , again there is a correct version and an incorrect version. Sat 5 Engines R2 Strip R2 Maybe a gun set (body only)….not sure. Stand bye for a price for all of this. Frank Cerney Edited by Cerney1
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| Boba
Flint Local user (12/28/99 6:05:04 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
X-wing
OOOHHHHH! I can hardly wait Frank. I won't be needing the R2 strip or the Saturn V engines. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Homer
Doh Global user (12/29/99 3:08:17 am) Reply | Edit | Del  |
Re:
X-wing
If anyones interested, the starship modeler site has a new (large) section of pics of all the ships from the smithsonian exhibit. http://www.starshipmodeler.com/starwars/smith_sw.htm Pardon me if this is old news.
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| kaiburr77
Global user (12/31/99 6:44:50 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kit
Frank, that would be wonderful. Keep me posted. If we all live through this evening of Y2K madness, I will be most excited by your kit. Out of curiosity, why would you use the maxi-brute rear as opposed to the original? Unfortunately the Smithsonian prop is that huge version (1/6 scale?) so it sheds light on the painting scheme mostly but little more. Beautiful ship though. This one was also at the SF exhibit. It looked great, though a bit dirty. I wonder if it was used on TESB. Nathan
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| Cerney1 Global user (1/1/00 8:47:36 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kit
Nathan writes: Out of curiosity, why would you use the maxi-brute rear as opposed to the original? what original? The one Ihave thats been molded and remolded a million times? Want to do one from a CLEAN set of parts. Frank Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr77
Global user (1/2/00 3:46:00 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kit
Frank, What I mean by "original" is that there may be subtle angular shape differences in the studio model (whatever gereration you have) and the Estes kit. Of course only you'd know for sure and I realise this model has been manipulated many times. I relate entirely to the "clean and corrected" philosophy but the shapes should ultimately resemble the original model for the most part, especially the angles on the rear. The Estes kit entirely lacks panel lines and the nose laser is not quite right which leads one to wonder how similar the Estes rear is to the resin X-Wing you have. I am very excited to hear you're casting this stuff up. I only wondered why you made that call.I guess you find the shape better defined?? Nathan
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| Cerney1 Global user (1/2/00 11:36:10 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kit
Nathan....in all honesty...I have not tackled the fuselage yet. Just some minor work to it. Lengthwise..its very close. The other angels look good..or can be modified with alot less work than the casting I have.. Frank Frank Cerney |
| Cerney1 Global user (1/4/00 10:03:02 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kit
everyone...post your email so we can stay in touch aftert his thread dies...which it looks like its going to. Or better yet..email me...and Ill make a master email list. cerney1@aol.com Frank Cerney |
| belleauwood
Global user (1/4/00 4:08:03 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
X-wing
kits
Hey all I've been kinda lurking in this thread as right now the whole project from the maxi-brute on down is kinda out of my budget, instead I'm spending my $$ on increasing my collection as SW stuff is common right now. However, I am interested in eventually doing both the x-wing and y-wing. On topic, however, I stumbled across in my never ending search for stuff a 1/32 revell f-4 phantom. This is the "new" release dated 1998, and was fairly inexpensive (~$30). The box art showed 2 different paint and decal schemes, one as "mig Killer" and the other as the "phabulous phantom". I could not tell by the box art and detail panels if it has the coveted engine needed for the x-wing, and I was wondering if anyone knew one way or the other. Thats because its a little pricey for me to blow on something that I may not be able to use, but if I can use it, then I'll probably snap it up and maybe even make it available to someone like cerney or someone else trustworthy who would make casts of it and offer it to the board so that everyone can get a hold of this bad boy. It seems to me that this is one of the harder pieces to gaff, and if it helps someone complete their project, then that makes me happy, esp. knowing that I have some casts of my own for when I get to working on my project! Though I may be jumping the gun on this, for someone may already have the castings available somewhere out there, and the new kit may not have the piece needed, but I just thought I'd put this out for food for thought, announce my presence on the board, and keep the thread alive. Ryan mailto:rmcomer@hotmail.com (no junk mails please!) (And please add me to your mail list cerney!)
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| Boba
Flint Local user (1/4/00 6:17:25 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kits
Hi Belleauwood, Unfortunately the kit you saw doesn't come with the engine. Some time in the mid 80's ( I believe) Revell stopped production on the Phantom we would need. The Phantom kit out now is a compleatley re-tooled kit. But not to worry Frank said he has a master engine to cast for us involed in the project. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| kaiburr77
Global user (1/5/00 3:39:36 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kits
If this thread dies anytime soon, rest assured that it will be resurrected promptly! nathan
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| Cerney1 Global user (1/5/00 10:39:55 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kits
I have recently made castings of teh Phantom parts. DONT BUY THE KIT. The castings are molded as sets. Ihave the wing inserts done..and they are gorgeous. The rear engine is half done...its has to be done in 5 parts....yes....5. The main part is actually the same phantom engine cut and glued to the same section that has been shortened. Rather that cut one...and make four molds..or worse yets....castings of castings....I will mold the parts separate... the other parts are the rear exhaust that has to be modified..the heat sink..and the cone connector. Nothing else is molded yet...ran out of rubber.....got some in yesterday. Frank Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr77
Global user (1/6/00 4:56:50 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kits
Frank, Fabulous! I'm certainly not alone when I voice my enthusiasm for those parts, as I have yet to find an unbuilt Phantom for this project. It sounds like you're going out of your way to get the best castings as well... What is the "cone connector" you're referring to? The Sat V part inside the engines? Nathan
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| kaiburr77
Global user (1/7/00 4:45:16 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kits
Perhaps you refer to the cone that connects the Phantom engine to the Sat. part...
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| Cerney1 Global user (1/7/00 8:21:08 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kits
Nathan...thats it Pal...exactly!! Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr77
Global user (1/9/00 11:51:21 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kits
Is the Artoo unit the same size as the Y-Wing astromech? Still trying to determine absolute scale. Nathan
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| Cerney1 Global user (1/10/00 1:14:27 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kits
I have no idea....but...would be nice to build both in same scale... Frank Frank Cerney |
| vaderdarth
Global user (1/10/00 1:22:37 am) Reply | Edit | Del  |
Re: X-wing
kits
Hi guys, I know this is a dumb question, but what is the base for this project...is there a complete kit? I'd like to do it , but don't understand where to start and I have read the posts. Any help? Dave Hookt own fonix werkt fer mee!!!!! |
| Cerney1 Global user (1/11/00 1:48:28 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kits
Not sure I understand that last post? BASE for the kit? The Maxi Brute....or....those who want to scratch build your OWN Xwing. The "kit" will be parts needed...if you are looking for INJECTION PLASTIC with INSTRUCTIONS....and everything premade for you. Keep looking. It aint here. The parts I will be offering very soon are ones a scratch builder will need. You still have to figure out how it goes togther. For example...my rear engine....very clean casting parts. But some of the ILM detail.....te plastic squares..the "pipes" they added...will need to be added by you! For a detailed list..see previous post. Also...the heat sinks are much smaller than the exhaust nozzle..so..look at ART OF STARWARS for reference..notice they are surrounded by a "ring". Frank Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr77
Global user (1/12/00 4:29:03 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kits
Alright, this post is getting the old bumperoosy!
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| Cerney1 Global user (1/12/00 10:10:40 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kits
yeah baby!! YEAH!! Speaking of the 1/24 scale......WHAT if...a 1/24 scaled NABOO fighter laser/resin generated just DROPPED nto my lap for clean up and molding??? WHO could POSSIBLY be interested in one??? hypthetically speaking. No more than a handful would be made. The price....reasonable..but not cheap. gee...I wonder if I should collect emails...if that indeed ever Happened,... Frank Cerney Edited by Cerney1 at:
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| Flintlock
Global user (1/14/00 2:30:23 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
kits
Frank, I am not sure I would be wanting one of those. I mean I like the ship, but I have been spending too much money as it is. However, I may know someone who would want one... That is, my High School Science Teacher... -FLINLOCK- |
| belleauwood
Global user (1/14/00 2:47:37 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
x-wing kits
available?
Hi all again I've got another question about the kits involved. I tracked down another kit that I think may be used in this project, but I'm not sure. I know most of the X-wings being used as the base for this is the estes maxi-brute, but some company has what I think may be the current match of the kit. Its a company called North Coast Rocketry, and can be viewed at http://www.rockets-2-go.com/ur321.htm This one seems to be the one. And though I'm pretty sure this is the equivalent, though pricey compared even to ebay . . . but I'm not having any luck there right now . . . if this one offers what I need, well . . . Thanks again all!
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| vaderdarth
Global user (1/14/00 8:19:56 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Is this estes rocket xwing the 20 inch variety? I have recently found one in a hobby shop and the guy will sell it for 75 bucks....is this a good price? I would very much like to make an Icon's-like prop replica, but I don't want to get skunked on the price of the rocket. Hookt own fonix werkt fer mee!!!!! |
| Boba
Flint Local user (1/14/00 9:15:58 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
The Estes rocket in question is about 20" and has a wingspan of about 16". Frank I would like to say I'm interested in the Naboo fighter but funds are very low and I would not be able to commit to buying such a thing now. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Cerney1 Global user (1/14/00 12:46:10 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
That rocket above is the new version...... you would be better off starting from SCRATCH. You need the one from 1978 50 to 100 is not bad price. Frank Frank Cerney |
| belleauwood
Global user (1/14/00 2:04:24 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Thanks for
the Save!
Thanks cerney! $100 seemed a little steep, but once again I find that what I was looking at was the WRONG THING! Seems to be the story of my life . . .
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| Cerney1 Global user (1/14/00 2:59:45 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Thanks
for the Save!
glad to help.... :-) Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr77
Global user (1/16/00 4:08:11 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:N-1
Frank, I think you KNOW what I think about that N-1 model. Anyway, please let me know how it cleans up. Back to the X-wing, how are your kits coming? Nathan
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| Treadwell
Global user (1/18/00 10:01:00 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
bump! -Jay Pennington Check out my Replica Prop Photo Gallery ...and see the Star Wars Special Edition FAQs in |
| QuiGonWill
Global user (1/18/00 11:18:08 am) Reply | Edit | Del  |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
i think this thread has the record for the longest time spent on the board "Remember...A Jedi's stregnth comes from whoo! Donuts! MMMM, chocolate!! woo hoo hoo hoooo!"-Yoda, when Star Wars and the simpsons merge |
| Cerney1 Global user (1/18/00 12:45:02 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
SLow..I just havent had alot of tiwm to mold anything else. Had to go to YUMA to visit folks this weekend past. The sat 5 ingine Ill do this week. Frank Cerney |
| Boba
Flint Local user (1/18/00 6:39:27 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Excellent work takes time....we understand. Also check this out: http://www.culttvman.com/bench_86__joe_valeriote__alex_.html Sould I email this guy? Find out if he is building a studio scale X-wing? If so would he mind vacuforming a few more fuselages? Either way I think we should introduce him to this thread. Yes? No? What say the group? "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Cerney1 Global user (1/18/00 7:05:07 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
sure....but I think the MAXI is the better way to go. Check out http://www.culttvman.com/bench78_wolfgang_bittermann_s_.html Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr77
Global user (1/19/00 12:02:06 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Yo Frank, aint that a Y-wing post? Excellent work though by Wolfgang. I agree with Frank on sticking with the Maxi-Brute, although this guy seems to have done a good job so far. I'd be interested to know what he used as reference and how much further he's gotten. Wouldn't hurt to know more though. nathan
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| Cerney1 Global user (1/28/00 9:47:14 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
I recieve d an email asking.....so Ill post here. Ok..The NEW MAXI Brute. Can you make it work? SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just plan on working ten times as hard as you would have if you got the OLD maxi brute. Hope that helps. Regarding my "kit". I have MOLDED: R2 R2 Strip SAT 5 engine parts, nozzles for diffusers... and the large engines. I used the NEW kit..and the old one..so if you want a new look..you can swtch top and bottom. Someome told me the new ones were used also... if you want JUST the old parts let me know. No extra charge. The HEAT sinks. 12 were used...two for gun..on for each engine. The Dome that goes between the phantom and the saturn. It looks right..if it is not THE part..it will work. The phantom engines. rear parts and wing inserts. "flightdeck" term that replaced the term c o c k p i t in the Navy. I have a mold that was either an ICONS..or what ICONS used. I dont know. Its the only NON real part Im offering. I will also offer the Sherman tank part in this "kit" having recently been load the part I needed. I also have a good casting of the "hatch" that goes on it. Thats it. I have the exhaust nozzles to mold...and thats it. Thats my "kit" if you want a set email me for address info. I dont expect to sell that many. so to cover cost of the RTV...price is higher than I would have liked. 150. plus 10 for shipping. Edited by Cerney1 at: 1/28/00 9:47:14 am |
| Treadwell
Global user (1/27/00 2:54:35 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
BUMP
It lives! -Jay Pennington Check out my Replica Prop Photo Gallery ...and see the Star Wars Special Edition FAQs in |
| Cerney1 Global user (1/27/00 5:51:26 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
BUMP
:-) Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr77
Global user (1/28/00 12:31:39 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Miracles
of Jesus
How did this thread survive? It's a miracle! Tell me, does one have to stack those heat sinks in pairs to make the cannon bits? And if so, does anyone have any idea what the ring concealing the division was? Nathan
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pcmodeler
 Global user (1/28/00 9:15:44 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Miracles
of Jesus
Is $80 plus shipping a decent price for an unopened Maxi-brute? I already have the Phantom kit and the Saturn kit for the engines. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| Cerney1 Global user (1/28/00 9:50:50 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Miracles
of Jesus
Tell me, does one have to stack those heat sinks in pairs to make the cannon bits? And if so, does anyone have any idea what the ring concealing the division was? yes the gun ones are stacked. Nathan Reply Is $80 plus shipping a decent price for an unopened Maxi-brute? the old one? YES!!! Well..if you already HAVE stuff....Email and let meknow what you need....if you want some of my castings. I do good work. If I can say so myself. Frank cerney1@aol.com Frank Cerney |
| Simple Global user (1/28/00 10:27:35 am) Reply | Edit | Del  |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
$80.00 ?? Hell yes that's a good price ! I've yet to find one under $110.00 As for the quality of Frank's parts - I think anyone who has built his remote will tell you his work is top notch. Now, does anyone out there have a maxi-brute they might want to lend out for molding ? With Frank making parts kits the only hold out for most of us is that @#!% maxi-brute ! Cam
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| pcmodeler
Global user (1/28/00 1:44:23 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Is $80 a good price for a complete, still bagged maxi-brute x-wing. I have the phantom and the saturn kits. I'm on my way. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| pcmodeler
Global user (1/28/00 2:00:27 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Here's how I found a maxi-brute in 1 day. Subscribe to the rec.models.rocket newsgroup (I believe that was the name of the group). Post and ad saying wanted: maxibrute x-wing. I had several responses in less than 24 hours (one as high as $400, yeah right). Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| kaiburr77
Global user (1/29/00 1:54:32 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
That is indeed a score alright! Out of curiosity, is anyone planning on tinting the "glass" on the c o c k p i t, or is everyone emulating the non-glass look? Nathan
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| kitbasher
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X-wing
canopy
On mine, I'm gonna put tinted plexiglass in , along with replicating the live-action @#%$ seen primarily in ESB. Theres a publicity shot of Mark Hamill in the @#%$ which shows the top of the "dash" pretty good. My feeling in general with the studio models is that they were not designed to be display models, and so they really don't hold up under close, prolonged scrutiny. So, if one can improve upon the originals, without cheating on accuracy, then I say go for it.
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| kitbasher
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c o c k p i
t? ?
What the hell? why can't I write c o c k p i t? normally???
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| ViperPilot Global user (1/29/00 7:16:09 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
canopy
C o c k p i t? Keep your dirty-talk to yourself, kitbasher.... If you're improving on the originals, aren't you forgoing the accuracy? Anyone know where I can get a 1/24 Graflex synchronizer battery case? VP
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| kitbasher
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accuracy vs
improving orginials
Viperpilot It's a fine line, I'll admit. If you change things too much, you sacrifice accuracy. I agree. But I think it would be nice to "merge" the features of the full scale X-wing and the studio model. Since I would be replicating features seen on both, and not "making anything up", then I don't feel it sacrifices accuracy. I think if the ILM guys had the time and the inclination, they would have replicated the full scale @#%$ details in the miniature, etc. But it wasn't deemed essential for filming. They could't have plexi canopies cause of the reflections from lights etc.
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| ViperPilot Global user (1/29/00 7:34:15 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: accuracy
vs improving orginials
I see your point. And there you go with the dirty-talk again.....
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| Cerney1 Global user (1/30/00 3:22:08 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: resin
parts
http://members.aol.com/cerney831/xkitparts.jpg The above link is a sample of some of the parts I have cast. Sadly....no one really seems interested in any of the parts I have molded and Im considering abandoning the project. Thought you would want a peek at the quality, and a status update. Happy modeling. Frank Frank Cerney |
| Simple Global user (1/30/00 3:59:17 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: resin
parts
Frank, I'm still in for a set ! I sent an e-mail to your AOL account about them, as I don't have your other addrss here at home. Could you give a read and get back to me ? Also - if ANYONE out there is willing to lend out a maxi-brute for molding, I'll do the work and ship you the mold ( that's how desperate I'm getting - finding one of these puppies at a reasonable price is a pain ). Cam
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| pcmodeler
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WOW. Stuff
looks great.
I will need to get some of that stuff for sure. Looks great. Waiting for my Maxi-brute to show up first so I can see what I'm working with.
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| Cerney1 Global user (1/30/00 6:18:00 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: WOW.
Stuff looks great.
Thanks... If enough people wanted a maxi brute...I would mold it. So far..you two are the only ones asking for parts...with a few exceptions....amazing considering the number of people whp post here saying they need stuff. I appreciate your interests.....but Im a bit frustrated. Frank Cerney |
| Jeeves
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Re: WOW.
Stuff looks great.
Hi Frank, I'm interested...I've been following the thread from the very beginning. BUT I have the new rocket kit. I've had it for over a year. If you can explain to me what needs to be fixed on this kit, I can make a final decision whether or not this project is worth it to me. If you can keep the price well under $200 after adding a mould the Maxi-Brute body, I'm sure you'll have a bunch of interested buyers. --Jeeves I prefer the term "force challenged" |
| Cerney1 Global user (1/30/00 7:08:58 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: WOW.
Stuff looks great.
"I have the new rocket kit. I've had it for over a year. If you can explain to me what needs to be fixed on this kit, I can make a final decision whether or not this project is worth it to me." I cant convince you this project is worth it to you. Thats for you to decide. The NEW kit...is OUT OF PROPORTION. You ever heard the saying...you CANT GET THERE FROM HERE? It applies in this case. " If you can keep the price well under $200 after adding a mould the Maxi-Brute body, I'm sure you'll have a bunch of interested buyers. " I bet you are right. Bet if I kept all well under a 100 I would have even more. Frank Cerney |
| Treadwell
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Re: WOW.
Stuff looks great.
Don't fret, Frank...you'll be getting a check from me for your $150 collection of parts before too long...gotta amass some fundage. If you casted the maxi brute I'd be all over it. -Jay Pennington Check out my Replica Prop Photo Gallery ...and see the Star Wars Special Edition FAQs in |
| Cerney1 Global user (1/30/00 7:15:55 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: WOW.
Stuff looks great.
Thanks Jay...apreciate it. Frank Cerney |
| Flintlock
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Re: WOW.
Stuff looks great.
Frank, I'm sorry... it seems that many have abandoned your kit! I'm not sure how long you are going to have it available, but if I have enough time to get some extra cash (making back all that I spent on kits for the Y) I will be sending away for your parts as well. They look great, by the way...definitely worth it. -FLINTLOCK- |
| belleauwood
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COUNT ME IN
FRANK!!
Frank, Don't get too discouraged! I'm still in too for a kit (as per my email, just waiting for the direct deposit of the old tax refund . . . and still waiting! Damn I swear uncle sam loves to spend dollars when its "his", but when its yours, he leaves fingerprints on every last one of the things!!), I'll email you later this week to finalize stuff. As for the MAXI body and that part on the wings that holds the engines, those I'd love to have . . . I'm still having crap luck finding one at a reasonable price . . . maybe a cast is in order of both?? The only other thing I could see being "needed" by myself other than that from the maxi kit is a set of the maxi instuctions which I guess (but I'm not sure) hold some sort of template for the wings. If its accurate, I'd like to get a copy to make life a little easier . . . as though you haven't already for us!! Ryan
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| Simple Global user (1/30/00 11:13:15 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Frank, Don't get frustrated - I think the big reason for people not jumping on this is the shortage of maxi-brutes to build on. Not to upset anyone, but for the price of molding and producing the body - under $200 ? Man-o-man that would be a nice trick. The cost of making the mold + your time + the actual resin . . I'd exect to pay more ( $250 ?? ). Since I've started to make molds and create stuff, I've also come to appreciate the time, talent, and cost of making garage kits. I plan to get your parts kit, and put it up on a shelf until such time as I can find a body I can afford ( or maybe acurate drawings to scratch build from ). Take care Cam
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| kaiburr77
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Frank, They look beautiful. I should be getting into some money in a couple of weeks and will definately be throwing it your way. Don't despair, I know what it's like to have a slow trickle of interest after a much talked about replica is worked out. My holoprojector story all over again...Anyhow, I'll speak with you soon.
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| Cerney1 Global user (1/31/00 12:55:43 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Thank you. You guys are great. Im making the best castings I can. I know you will like the kit. I can PHOTO copy the wing templates..and INCLUDE them in the kit. They could very well be very accuate. I have not checked. First glance...they look close. re: the brute....food for thought. a RESIN copy of it...would be easier to panel then the actual kit. As you know..the MAXI..is a thin....nylony plastic. I thougth about gluing styrene to it to make the panels using the casting of the fuselage I have as reference....and may still. However...might be better...to make a resin version..and then.....DRAW the panles.....then scribe them in. What sayeth the crowd? Frank Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr77
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The crowd (if I may speak for them) sayeth yay, Frank. I would much rather deal with a resin fuselage then the P.O.S. Maxi plastic any day. My Maxi-Brute is so dissected at this point that I'll need someone else's casting of their virgin one to continue properly. The Maxi I have is not only flimsy, but out of square too. Vacuuforming sometimes has it's limitations. By the way, the Estes kit balsa wings are innacurately shaped in as much as I can tell. Better to work off of photo blowups of "X-Wing pieces on table" found in a few books re: ILM. Nathan nkhyber@aol.com
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| Boba
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X-wing
kit
Now Frank you know I'm going to get one of your parts kit. I think I will also have to get in on any castings of the Maxi-Brute. Mine right now is..............well.........not looking so good.
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| Simple Global user (1/31/00 10:54:23 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Frank, Yup, a resin body that we could etch the panels into would be the answer I think. That's why I was begging for a "loaner" further up in this thread. The tricky part ( as I see it ) would be how do you mold such a thin body without distorting it ( reinforce the RTV with cloth ? fill the body with foam for support ) ? I'd probably go as high as $300 - $350 for the body and the parts if you do decided to do this for us. Last, is there anything I can do to help on this project ? There seems to be a bunch of people interested in this project, but you seem to be doing most of the work. I realize this is probably a skills thing for a lot of folks, but I'm more than happy to add whatever I can to the kit. Cam
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| Cerney1 Global user (1/31/00 11:08:22 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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thanks Cam...Oh..Ill have some metal parts to you asap. Well..re: Maxi...my Nose is glued and puttied....and the back has some work done to it...plastic sheet filling where the wings go,,,,I was going to make the wings OPEN and close..I might not. Might make it like how ICONS had it....fixed. I also began to work on the @#%$ Yes...I would foam fill it..or cover it with a coat of resin. Frank Cerney |
| Simple Global user (1/31/00 11:53:31 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Frank, If you like I could pick up a cheap x-wing kit, and work on scaling up the wings and the open / close hinge part. I was also going to take a look at re-creating the cannon out of some of brass tubing - I seem to have quite a collection of the stuff. Like I said, anything to help out. Cam
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| pcmodeler
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Frank, are you using any kind of pressure or vacuum casting on the items? Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| Treadwell
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Okay, here's a real ignorant question, but what the hell: Would it be worth it using the Hasbro FX X-Wing as a base? -Jay Pennington Check out my Replica Prop Photo Gallery ...and see the Star Wars Special Edition FAQs in |
| kitbasher
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hasbro xwing
as a base
Treadwell No way man... don't waste your time. The Hasbro toy is way off proportion wise. The only one of their toys that is pretty close to an original model is the snowspeeder. Maybe the A-wing toy too, but I've never seen one up close.
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| belleauwood
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Frank, The SW Chronicles book (one ref book I didn't have but finally received as gift last year from my very very loving Girlfriend) shows on p 113 the mold master (top half) in a grey material with a mold, with the model bisected horizontally and with the nose cone molded seperately (apparently). Right above it a guy working on a set of molds wearing a resperator with the model bisected vertically, nosecone on. This is the precursor to the "kit" layed out next to it, bisected with everything in resin, though the book claims the scale was 1/16! Its wrong, I'm sure, as there is so much textually wrong with this book, but the pics make it worthwhile. If you dont have a copy of the book (I doubt it highly) I may be able to make scans this weekend at a friends. Reason I bring this up is food for thought . . . IF a mold gets made of the MAXI body, I assume the person doing it would go with option "A" This is the construction of the group shown as the armature models on the same page, and it seems to me to be an easier way to do it with a minimum of annoying seams at final assemby, and with a accurate nose cone, molded maybe in one piece? I know we're talking a lot of $$ to do something like this right, but I think theres a demand for this stuff if sold in a complete form. Heck, one of my friends reading this board who wanted an ICONS POS a while back saw this thread over my shoulder and said "COOL! I want one!" Heck, even $350+ or so would be a sellabale range, considering the I company gouged $1500 a pop for theirs. With most everything an average joe modeler (say, me for example) included, I think a lot of folks would be interested. Now, I'm not being unrealistic here, I KNOW its going to cost BANK, but its worth it for me, and I'm sure also for a WHOLE bunch of other folks out there for the chance to have something that to do on our own (correctly, with the right parts etc) would run almost as much as the damn ICONS one! And then theres the cool fact of having your own "big ass" X-wing to display . . . that you proudly "made"!!!!! Just some food for though, folks, and now for your comments and feedback . . . Ryan
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| Cerney1 Global user (1/31/00 3:26:12 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Frank, are you using any kind of pressure or vacuum casting on the items? Mark...I vac the rubber. One trick I use is go lighter ont eh catylst....takes longer to cure....but..its like glass and airbubble free. Also...pour in in the mold...in a THIN stream (Thanks Mark D.) from high up..the RTV stretches the air out...so Im told..seems to work. Regarding pressure casting....these parts? Nope. Ihave done it....used to use a pressure pot to 15 to 20 lbs....was afraid it would blow up if I went any higher. When I was told that unless you are 25 to 40..you are wasting your time...I quit using it. Dont really seem to need it. Frank Cerney |
| Cerney1 Global user (1/31/00 3:40:13 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Ryan...yes I have the Japanese version. Same book...and the text is just as useful. if you know what I mean. Re: the Horizontal or vertical. I would mold it in ONCE peice. the c o c k p i t would have to be cut back out...so would rear...but the fuselage..would be HALLOW!!! 350 for parts I have listed..and the fuselage? it would be a heck of a modelers starting kit...Im trying to STAY away from making the entire thing in unassemblemd form. What Im doing now has already required alot of time and $$$. Let me ask this.....how many people here would actually be interested in this..and willing to at least supply a 50. dollar deposit?? What price do you think is fair for the listed parts....and the fuselage? Frank Cerney |
| Treadwell
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Kitbasher: Just to make sure we're talking about the same thing: I don't mean the "regular" X-Wing toy that's been around forever, but the much larger and more accurate $50 toy that came out around two years ago. I haven't measured it but its proportions are a vast improvement over ye olde Kenner toy. Not that it would surprise me to learn it wouldn't be worth the bother either, but just checkin'. Frank: I certainly don't want to squelch any heightened enthusisasm, but I didn't realize a casting of the Maxi Brute would be in the multiple hundreds of dollars...now that I think about it, I can understand why that would be, but I'm not so sure anymore that I could afford to be "all over it" after all. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't making promises I might not be able to keep... (still in for those parts, though.) -Jay Pennington Check out my Replica Prop Photo Gallery ...and see the Star Wars Special Edition FAQs in |
| Simple Global user (1/31/00 4:12:23 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Frank, I don't think a ( non-refundable ) deposit is off base at all, in fact if it were me investing the time and material I'd insist on it. A $50 deposit sounds more than fair to reserve a set of parts, but the final price you charge should be your decision, $350 sounds OK to me. Maybe list the parts and quantities in this thread for folks to realize how much they are actually getting ? ( I know you did it in the other thread, but this seems to be the place to talk about it ). Also, we'd be able to see what's NOT included. This would allow us to start researching and creating the other bits to supply to one another. Hollow ? Really ? Cool. Room for lighting and sound and . . . . Cam
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| Cerney1 Global user (1/31/00 5:50:26 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Well..I have 150 for the parts I offer....I was thinking just another 100 for the brute. so..more like 250 for everything. that sound more reasonable? Ill post an idividual list later. Don't mean to be harsh...please don't take this the wrong way.....but..as far as parts NOT offered.......Im really not sure how to address that. If you have no idea what you need besides the parts available.....you may want to stick with the ERTL injection model. Point Im stressing...you need to be pouring over photos..and other reference material. Doing so will give you a keen insight as to what goes where...and also an appreiciation for HAVING the actual parts or at least good 1st generation castings. Not a casting thats 4 generations olds...and an inch and a half too short. if you know what I mean. Does that make sense? Frank Frank Cerney |
| Simple Global user (1/31/00 6:06:19 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Makes total sense. By missing parts, I ment major parts - back of the body, wings, cannon etc. Also, I forgot to ask - how many poeple do you need to commit to this before it's worth your while ? Cam
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| Boba
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I would go for the $50 deposit Frank. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| belleauwood
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$50
Deposit
Frank, I'm in for a $50 deposit if it means getting the whole deal (your kit as of now + brute body) for $250. I'll mail you right now so you can respond and give me your addy. Ryan
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| Cerney1 Global user (1/31/00 7:40:32 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
apology
IF I may digress.......... Jeeves previously posted the following: " If you can keep the price well under $200 after adding a mould the Maxi-Brute body, I'm sure you'll have a bunch of interested buyers. " To which I responded: I bet you are right. Bet if I kept all well under a 100 I would have even more. Now...Jeeves was a bit offended by that remark. In hindsight....he had every right to be. However,..I would like to add.....sarcasm can be taken out of context...especially in TEXT format. I did not mean to offend. I have never exchanged a harsh word with anyone on these baords...I like to be helpful....and i like to contribute in a friendly way. I tend to be very sarcastic. Its that Cerney sense of humor. However,..to him....and the rest of you I offer my sincerest apology. I offended him publically...and so now apologize the same way. Frank Cerney Frank Cerney |
| Flintlock
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Re:
apology
Sounds good Frank! I kinda zarked up (Douglas Adams humor) my Maxi-Brute body. $250 for all that, pretty much the whole thing and better than the Icons, is WELL worth it. I'll work over time in Feb just to make enough for it. -FLINTLOCK- |
| Simple Global user (2/1/00 9:07:08 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Bump. C.
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| Treadwell
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Ah, I comprehend. I'll fire off a $50 deposit for the kit-and-kabootle asap---might be as much as a couple of weeks, lemme know if that's a problem. You weren't harsh, Frank; you quite rightly are making sure folks know what they're getting into (and what they're NOT getting!). In that vein, I ask veteran modelers to provide me a reality check on whether I can realistically expect to finish this on my own. What I'll have at the beginning of my X-Wing project: -Frank's parts & Maxi -Saturn model (or do I even need it if I have Frank's parts?) -Chronicles and lotsa other ref. books -local hobby shops for supplies -links to photos & parts lists from this thread -modeling skills -patience What I DO NOT HAVE: -knowledge of (or much experience with) military model kits -much knowledge of even the names of the military vehicles in these kits -ability to identify these kit parts by looking at photos ...so I can pour over X-Wing pix all day, but I wouldn't know a Sherman part if it bit me. So don't hold back: do I have much of a chance of finishing this thing, or am I going to end up with a rather plain X-Wing? -Jay Pennington Check out my Replica Prop Photo Gallery ...and see the Star Wars Special Edition FAQs in |
| Simple Global user (2/1/00 1:29:19 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Treadwell, I think if enough people get involved with this project we should be able to coach on another through it. I'm with you when it comes to military vehicles - wouldn't know 'em if they hit me. I can however reproduce from pictures if I have a sense of scale. As for the Saturn kit, I get the impression that you wouldn't need it if you have Frank's parts kit. Frank ? Comments ? As for the sarcasm - I come from a big family, bring it on! I also agree that anyone thinking about doing this should have their eyes wide open, and realize this only one step above kit bashing and will take some skill and patience. Cam
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| stonky
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Has anyone seen these pictures? http://www.culttvman.com/bench_86__joe_valeriote__alex_.html Interesting approach to the fuselage. stonky
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| belleauwood
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stonky, I think someone should contact him and let him know about the c o c k pit thats in franks kit. . . otherwise it looks good. I wonder if whoever contacts him should also ask if he still has the molds set up for the body, and would be willing to sell a few . . . not to mention his "gearbox" for the wing . . . details on that could be useful to this whole board. Maybe this would make molding the maxi a moot point if he's willing, saving frank some time and $$ . . . . now who want to mail him?? Just my $.02. Ryan
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This is why I like this board so much. All this awesome research and hard to find stuff for making all the models and props. "Las Vegas spaceport....... you'll never find the more wretched hive of scum and villainy......... we must be cautious." http://members.theglobe.com/bleyd/DARTHBLEYD/default.html |
| Cerney1 Global user (2/1/00 6:16:57 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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NO...You dont need the saturn parts. Good comments above....Im not a military model person either.but you have all of us a resource...I just meant you need to have an idea as to the scope of the project. Frank Frank Cerney |
| Boba
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Stonky, I emailed that guy a few weeks ago and informed him about this site. Haven't heard from him. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." Edited by Boba
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| Jeeves
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Thanks, Frank. Posting wasn't necessary, but it's a kind gesture. I appreciate it! Sorry for the O/T, guys Back on topic, I've got about 3 detail pics from the magic of the myth X-wing. Wrong scale, and just OK quality. But I can send copies to whoever is collecting reference photos. These are mainly of the rear / engines. email me Edited by Jeeves at: 2/1/00 7:07:11 pm |
| Cerney1 Global user (2/1/00 11:34:35 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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I have a crappy resin wing....I just scanned it...everyone email me your email address...Ill send it..I would UPLOAD to the WWW...but Im out of room. remember....if you use it for refernce....take SHRINKAGE into consideration. Cerney1@aol.com Frank Cerney |
| Simple Global user (2/2/00 10:49:22 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Frank, I e-mailed you about the wing this A.M. then thought o' somethin'. Could you scan the body ? I realize it may need to be done in parts, but if you could do it with a ruler next to it those of us who want to help could adjust the size and reassemble it. Again, I would be more than happy to post it on my web space , and it might help move along some of the other parts we need. Cam
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| Cerney1 Global user (2/2/00 10:57:57 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Scan the body? Sure....but the fuselage I have....is off center....so...I would not use it as a absolute regarding measurements..just a general layout and HOW it should all look. Frank Frank Cerney |
| Simple Global user (2/2/00 11:22:22 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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That would be most cool of you Frank. At least we can get a rough view for sizeing stuff like the cannons and wings, AND convey the scale of this beast. I've built the Saturn V model, and still have a hard time wraping my mind around an X-wing made from it's parts. All I can think is that it'll be BIG. :-0 Cam
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| Cerney1 Global user (2/2/00 12:46:47 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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whats the WHEEL on the back of the gun?? ANYONE KNOW?? Frank Cerney |
| Boba
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Frank that wheel looks to me like it's from the 1/72 Sherman from Hasegawa. Looking at the pic in the SW Technical Journal, it looks like part #9 from the Sherman tank is it. If not then it's very, very close. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." Edited by Boba
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| Simple Global user (2/2/00 5:21:02 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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I've put Frank's scans of the wing up on the net here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/cwynd/Pics/Fullwng1.jpg http://www3.sympatico.ca/cwynd/Pics/Fullwng2.jpg They are nice and big, and have the ruler next to 'em for scale / size. Thanks Frank! Cam
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| Cerney1 Global user (2/2/00 9:33:04 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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No sweat! "Im with the government...Im here to help." Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr77
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bump...
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| kaiburr77
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone have an outlet at getting lightsheet inexpensively (if at all?) on the web? I want my interior and rockets to illuminate with a combination of lightsheet and fibre optics. nathan nkhyber@aol.com
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| Simple Global user (2/7/00 9:43:50 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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This weekend I looked at Frank's scans of the wing he sent out and I have a question. Does this bit look like a tank fend er to anyone else ?  I'm no expert on military kits ( as I've said before ), but looking at the shape, and knowing from some of the other posts here that they did use miliary models . . . . Oh yeah, and by the way bump!
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| pcmodeler
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tank
fender
Doesn't look like any that I've seen and I mode quite a bit of armor as well but that's not to say that it isn't. Recieved my Maxi-brute today. I think it'll make a pretty good starting point. There is still always the possiblilty that I will use it for taing dimensions and build the primary shape from resin. Are most planning on building it with wings open or closed?
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| Simple Global user (2/8/00 11:38:01 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Ah well, I can scratch build from styrene :-) As for wings, for me it would depend on the body I track down. I'd really like to scale up the hindge they used on the original x-wing model, so that they would open and close. I had a thought on the wings. Both resin and styrene will droop with that size wing surface ( see Frank's scan ) won't they ? I was thinking about putting a thin layer of aluminum between the upper and lower wing parts. It should provide some extra strength maybe ? Just a thought Cam
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| kaiburr77
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Cam, Firstly, if you triple the styrene on the wing (as the studio model is sandwiched together) you will possibly be sag-free. If you're not hip with that, then I would suggest doing as I have and using plexi (acrylic) plated with styrene for scribing panel lines.Alluminum is cool but harder to work with and acrylic is plenty strong enough for the job. Just score and snap! Nathan
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| Simple Global user (2/10/00 7:45:19 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Would never have thought of acrylic panels. Thanks ! Does acrylic sand and paint well ? I've never used it before in model making. I guess not that much of it would be showing on a finished wing . . edges . . cut outs on the inside surface . . .? Thanks again. Cam
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| Cerney1 Global user (2/10/00 10:54:05 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Acrylc is WONDERFUL!! Not I havent died. Just been busy. Making PARTS!! they look great and the first 3 sets are going out soon!!! I can send now..missing the Sherman real model parts...have some other castings... Flint, I have heard from everyone else...they want to wait for the Sherman...do you? or I can send stuff right out..and then ship the Sherman later...at no cost to you. Im anxious for one of you to review my casting work. They look great!! Frank Frank Cerney |
| Flintlock Global user (2/10/00 12:36:04 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Yes, I can wait! I am the Flint you are talking to right? I don't know how long it will be because I am in a little bind right now... gonna be moving soon and going to start College so I don't know how the cash flow's gonna go. I would LOVE to start building that X-Wing now though! Hey, does anyone know if Airfix plans to re-issue their 1/24 Hawker Harrier? I had this thought because the re-release of the Messerschmitt and the Hurricane, and soon the Saturn V... If they did, and I had to wait longer than I want to I would probably be picking that up and casting some of my own parts in the future... -Flintlock- |
| kaiburr77
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Frank, how long do you anticipate the wait on that Sherman to be? Nathan Yes, I'll wait too... oh, yeah... I haven't paid yet!
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| Simple Global user (2/10/00 10:03:25 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Frank, When you say missing the Sherman parts, do you mean haven't cast 'em or can't find the kit ? If you're having trouble finding the kit let me know - I'm heading off to a hobby shop someone at the office told me about - they specialize in military kits. Since I'm going to trek up there, are there any other military kits I should keep and eye out for ? BTW my machinist friend cancelled on me - it snowed today in Toronto and everyone got suprised. Snow. In the winter. In Canada. What were the odds. I've rescheduled with him for Friday night. Cam
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| Cerney1 Global user (2/10/00 10:43:21 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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I won two kits on ebay. Should be here tomorrow...or by monday. Have them molded that night....and cast the next day.... So Friday looks good. :-) Frank Cerney |
| Boba
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This is the other Flint. Frank i can wait for the Sherman as well. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Cerney1 Global user (2/11/00 1:12:48 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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My god...there are TWO Flints. The one that sent me $$ hahaha Frank Cerney |
| Boba
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That's right there are two of us!!! Bwahahaha!!! For one of us (me) Flint is my first name. The other, Flint is thier last name. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| pcmodeler
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Frank. I will need to get some of those parts as soon as taxes are filed. Having the flooring at the house completely redone so cash is tight right now. I'm not sure if I will need the complete setup as some of the individuals as I have the Saturns and may have the sherman but will def. need the strip, R2, and some of the other stuff. Will probably make the wings from sandwiched styrene. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| Simple Global user (2/11/00 10:53:14 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Note to self: send money order to Frank for parts ! Frank, if I add an extra $10 to the cost will that cover shipping ? Cam
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| Cerney1 Global user (2/11/00 11:30:03 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Ok....Ill be bousy this weekend. TYhe heat sicks are a real PAIN...I do my best to get them BUBBOLE free....so far....Im running 7- % of whats cast of the heat sicks....come out perfect. Ill scan my Fueselage this weekend too. Frank Frank Cerney |
| sjanish
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Aren't the heatsinks still available somewhere? If they are a PIA to make why not use originals? Is it a cost thing? Just wondering...
Scott |
| pcmodeler
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Are the heat syncs available somewhere? I would actually like to get the actual items as I can imagine that they would be pretty hard to cast. Frank, if your casting them, have you considered using white metal? I noticed that they are also used in the engines of the Y-wing as well. The X-wing would appear to use 8 of these, four in the engines and 4 on the lasers from what I see. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| Cerney1 Global user (2/11/00 1:50:15 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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yes.....they are available Im sure .....and when you find them let me know. I bought everyone a store had when I found them...and they have never gotten more in. White metal? Why? Whats the point? I have a hard enough time finding the time to do it all in resin....now you want me near an open flame? Ask my wife....at the rate I expell GAS....being near an open flame could be dangerous for me. :-) Frank Cerney |
| Simple Global user (2/11/00 1:50:50 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Frank, If the heat sinks are a huge pain, don't do a full set for me - just do one clean one. I can mold 'em and struggle with them at my end. The body scan would be cool, I can post it to my web space like I did the wings so the group can have access if you like. Cam
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| sjanish
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> yes.....they are available Im sure.....and when you find them let me know. > I bought everyone a store had when I found them...and they have never gotten more in. What kind of store was it? Maybe if we all start looking someone will find a stash. Do you know anything about their use? Computers use lots of funky shaped heat sinks. I've been meaning to go look at Radio Shack and then hit every computer/electronic related store in the phonebook.
Scott |
| pcmodeler
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I would be willing to go on a hunt for the heat sinks as well if I knew where to start or what they were a heat sink for. As for white metal, would probably have less of a problem with bubbles but may have some other issues. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| Cerney1 Global user (2/11/00 4:26:39 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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If the heat sinks are a huge pain, don't do a full set for me - just do one clean one. I can mold 'em and struggle with them at my end. TOO late! yours are done! Besides...then its another generation older...and that shape tends to show the SHRINKAGE more. Besides....its molde.d.i got $$$ tied up in rubber. the body scan would be cool, I can post it to my web space like I did the wings so the group can have access if you like. well....that was the plan....just havent had time to do it. Im spread really thin....and thats why I doubt I will offer a casting of the maxi brute. To few people interested in it any way. Lee Malone says he is going to do one. He is at mailto:Ecliptic1@aol.com Frank Cerney |
| Cerney1 Global user (2/13/00 2:39:26 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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we need to ID some of the parts we have yet to find... anyone looking? Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr77
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Namely, which areas are the mysteries? Are we still searching for the backs of the guns? nathan
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| Cerney1 Global user (2/13/00 4:45:06 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Parts DIRECTLY under the gun. Frank Frank Cerney |
| Simple Global user (2/14/00 9:17:40 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Ok. I got Frank's scan of the x-wing body. It's posted in two pieces here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/cwynd/Pics/X-wing1.jpg http://www3.sympatico.ca/cwynd/Pics/X-wing2.jpg If I get a chance, I'll stitch them together in Photoshiop and put it up too. One other thing Frank - could you give us a nose to butt end measurement of the body ? JIC someone wants to scratch build it ? Also ( if no one objects ) I'm going to make a copy of this thread, and maybe the Y-wing thread as an archive. I'd update the archive each week - in case it disappears for some reason. Cam
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| kaiburr77
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Cam, Good idea. We are SO close to nailing this thing! Frank, thanks for the scans. some pretty dodgy panel lines toward the rear, huh? Definately some room for improvement. A remastered version would be SHWEEET! Nathan
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| beaz Global user (2/15/00 12:03:25 am) Reply | Edit | Del  |
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What's that body based on? The Icons recast? The Maxi-Brute? beaz |
| Cerney1 Global user (2/15/00 12:16:16 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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that body came out of a mold from none other than GREG "CAPT" STONE. I think he molded an ICONS. its a crappy casting. A 3rd grade art student could have done a better job. Anyhow...friend was throwing it away..I got it as reference. Frank Cerney |
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millennium group Global user (2/16/00 5:17:40 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Frank. Was that Mark W's casting? If so yep! Greg " the rip off " Stone did mold ICONS. It is several inches to short! Good reference for panel and raised details though. You coming over Saturday?
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| pcmodeler
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Frank, whats a good source for RTV rubber? I'm trying to cast some parts for a Star Trek model I'm working on. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| Cerney1 Global user (2/16/00 12:06:44 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Mark, Yes..thats the one. Its crap! But..reference none the less. Sat..yes...gonna try to be there. RTV...I wrote an article on the remote http://members.aol.com/cerney831/ball.html I mention ACE RESIN. If you are just starting out...or doing small stuff. John has AWESOME KITS!! Small and really cheap. Great RTV too! Very user friendly. He sells resin too,...small amounts. If you are more experienced....get Gi1000 from Circle K 909-695-1955 I think is the number. Frank Cerney |
| pcmodeler
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Thanks Frank Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
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x-wing
sizes??
Hi all, been busy just like the rest of y'all . . . but not with PROPBUILDING!! Real life can, uh, BLOW at times! Amazing how it can intrude on your "Real" life of propping/modeling . . . Anyway . . . I was wondering if anyone out there had any idea of what the dimensions are/should be for a PROPER 1/24 X. I know, the iCONs one has an inch too little in length . . . but I don’t even know the sizes of that one. I've poured over my references, everything from chronicles, tech journal, art of, all the cd's, sw to indy . . . and only 1 gives dimension, the sw to indy. Bitch is, it gives 2 different sizes for a set of similar sized models . . . 56x46x18 cm for one, and 53x46x17 for another. It also gives a "large scale" model at 127x145x51. Which one, if any, is right? Its amazing to me just how little there is on the X, a LOT of repeat photos, or crappy angles and or pic sizes . . . and not one scale like you see on the A-wing on the cd . . . that would help just a tad . . . AND the way they always, even on the CD, perpetuate that the scale is 1/16 . . . So, who's got the right info? Anyone, anyone, Bueller, Bueller, Fry, Fry . . . . BTW, someone I think asked for the best underside pic a while back for detailing, the best I’ve found is slide #9 (I think) on the BTM CD. Hope that helps. On a side note, during the ToysRus binge and purge of SW stuff, I picked up an electronic power fx X-wing (the large scaled toy) for a whopping $10. Picked up a lot of other stuff, too, t-16, a-wing, blockade runner, etc.. . . all for $10 (Sorry frank! That WAS your deposit, now payment in full should be on the way by next week) (Whoo Hoo! Finished off the bulk of stuff I’ve been looking for to finish my collection, and on the cheap too! Damn, if only I could always be so lucky . . . .) Most is actually not THAT bad for scale. The a-wing is if not dead on then damn close for a ½ studio scale, even has the exhaust tube taper that is missing on the old snap tite! C o c k pit and shroud is off and could use some work, but not a bad starting point for a later project. The T-16 isn’t TOO bad, some of the details are wrong, or wrongly sized, but again, not a bad starter point. Ditto for the Blockade runner. And now to the Power FX X-wing . . . and MAYBE using it instead of the damn maxi?? Looks pretty good to me . . . general shapes right to my eye (as messed as it is) . . . but not sure about the sizes . . . SOMEONE PLEASE let me know if this seems “on” to you for the sizes, all in cm and approx. LOA 50 Fuselage length 46 Wingspan 46 Thruster length 16.5 Rear fuselage max height 8.5 Max width 6.5 Nose cone ML 6.5 Nose cone MW 3.3 Nose cone MH 3 C o c k pit ML 9.5 C o c k pit MW 5 C o c k pit MH 2.2 Note that I’d plan on using only the fuselage as a base, like in the maxi, wings get tossed, as do the cannons, thrusters etc. The holes from the screw etc would get filled, and then the whole shebang would get covered with styrene paneling. But, since the GENERAL scaling seems right to me as far as proportions go, it could possibly work IF the sizeing's right. Lord knows the price was right . . . even if its not, I may give it a go at this size later . . . or if I cannot find a "reasonable" maxi kit in the near future. ‘Nuff for me for one day . . . Oh, and BTW . . . . BUMP!! Ryan
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| kitbasher
Jedi Knight (2/20/00 3:15:22 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
MAXIBRUTE
CASTING!!
I have what appears to be a casting of a Maxibrute fuselage. I got it in a trade a few years back and just rediscovered it in my basement. I don't need it, so if someone wants to buy it let me know. I guess $30.00 plus shipping should cover it. There is some damage to the rear of the fuselage, see the photos. members.aol.com/dmaio711/maxibrute.jpg members.aol.com/woodgie59/maxibrute2.jpg 'Basher
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (2/20/00 5:38:35 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Yep..thats a MB casting alright. Ihave molded my sherman parts..and they are available. I will be sending them out with the three orders I have gotten. Frank Frank Cerney |
| DARKSIDE72
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Kitbasher,I would like the cast of the maxi!Please e-mail me. Jamie JAMIEMAIL@webtv.net
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| kaiburr
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Re: MAXIBRUTE
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I would also like a copy if one is being made. If Darkside has dibs, then that's cool... I'll wait for Lee to do it. But if someone is to mold it... nathan
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| Simple Jedi Knight (2/21/00 8:45:11 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Darkside72, Think you could mold / cast 'em for us ? Cam
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (2/21/00 12:18:06 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Then you would have a casting...of a casting..... Frank Cerney |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (2/21/00 10:51:04 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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WHo else need an XWING parts set...want to know how many more to make....so I can get back to other things. Frank Frank Cerney |
| Treadwell
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Sending you a downpayment asap, Frank. (Do you have an x.com account?) -Jay Pennington Check out my Replica Prop Photo Gallery ...and see the Star Wars Special Edition FAQs in |
| Flintlock Jedi Knight (2/22/00 11:32:40 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Oh sh*t... It looks like I might miss it... "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (2/22/00 11:46:50 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Tread...whats an X.com account? Flint...Miss what? Frank Frank Cerney |
| darth
morpheus Jedi Knight (2/22/00 11:51:05 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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this thread has been going on for 3 months 4 days
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| Treadwell
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x.com is a free online funds transfer service... allows folks to use credit cards (or a balance at x.com itself) to send money to each other instantly. Check last week's thread "paying for props"...probably at around p. 10 or so by now. I asked because I could send your downpayment now using that, but would have to wait until I'm paid next week to do it the old-fashioned way. -Jay Pennington Check out my Replica Prop Photo Gallery ...and see the Star Wars Special Edition FAQs in |
| darth
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Re: ATTN:
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hee hee
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| belleauwood Jedi Knight (2/22/00 7:58:37 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
X-wing
scales
Hey all . . . Question time once again . . . I did some more research on the correct size for the X. Every source I can find says the X is 12.5 M in length (WEG, BTM CD, SW Screensaver Blueprints, ETC.). Does anyone have any canon sourced conflicting info about the length?? What I'm looking for is if this seems right to the rest of you out there. 12.5 M x 3.28 M/ft= 41 ft 41/24ths=1.7 ft 1.7ft x 30.48 cm/ft = 52.07 cm LOA ~ 52 CM Can anyone see an error somewhere?? This closely supports the SW to indy figure of 53 cm in length (see earlier post). Again, does all this sound right to all of you?? And yet again, does anyone see a problem using the electronic FX X-wing toy (the big one) as a base instead of the maxi?? Frank, full payment OTW mid next week . . . taxes came through, just waitng to clear my account, and I'm OOT this weekend (off to CO again!) Ryan
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (2/22/00 10:32:20 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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...I might miss your whole kit altogether... been spending too much lately and I think by the time I get enough you will have stopped molding (Cerney). "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (2/23/00 2:02:11 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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No....Ill have some parts set aside for you Flint. AS for the other Flint (Yoda said...there as another) Ill have yours out when Ic ast up the Sherman tomorrow. I now have "PayPal" its like x.com Thanks for the tip! Frank Frank Cerney |
| pcmodeler
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I will need some but not all of the parts Frank. Surely need the top strip and the Sherman. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| DARKSIDE72
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I was wondering that also.Frank can a guy just buy what he needs? Anyway you could post each part and list the costs?Jamie
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (2/23/00 10:00:14 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Sure....I thought that was understood. Ill repost: R2 = 10* R2 Strip = 25 SAT 5 engine parts, nozzles for diffusers = 15* SAT 5 large engines. I used the NEW kit..and the old one..so if you want a new look..you can swtch top and bottom. Someome told me the new ones were used also... if you want JUST the old parts let me know. No extra charge. = 40 for set The HEAT sinks. 12 were used...two for gun..on for each engine. = 15* The Dome that goes between the phantom and the saturn. It looks right..if it is not THE part..it will work. = 5 for set* The phantom engines. rear parts and wing inserts. = 40 Sherman tank Hull = 15 Sherman tank "hatch" = 10 * Add ten bucks for shipping. Unless you have just the small parts " * " then add 5. If you arent sure..ask me. Frank Cerney |
| Treadwell
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...so that would make the whole schmeer $175 + $10 shipping, then? Was $150, but I think that was before you added the Sherman parts... Just checkin'. -Jay Pennington Check out my Replica Prop Photo Gallery ...and see the Star Wars Special Edition FAQs in |
| DARKSIDE72
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Thank you very much Frank  .What about the
c0ckpit?I need several of your parts.I will be in touch soon. Jamie
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (2/23/00 3:08:51 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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if you add it all up individually..its 175...but if you buy it all...its 150...its...kinda volume discount....because I love you all so much. What c o c k p i t the one I have been asked not to sell cause of my recent association with ICONS? The one who's MOLD I lost....kid you not....looked everywhere for it.... just send me money for it anyway....Ill make one out of PLAYDOUGH to replace it...ok? :-) Frank Frank Cerney |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (2/23/00 5:35:21 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
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I was recently asked by a very nice fellow....if I could give him a written summary of all the kits used on the XWING, and placement of those parts. Its not a difficult request. He told me there was just too much here for him to take the time to go through and get all the info himself. Granted..it's a considerable amount of material. However, I have to remark if you are too busy to look through this plethora of information well, you might want to find another hobby. You know, I get two to three emails a day...asking me to "measure this.." or..."do you have blueprints for that..." or...can you take pictures of X item (an item I own) for me " I know many of you also get these requests. I used to answer them..as many as I could. Then, I finally got buried. Today, I do try to be helpful and I have gotten lots of feedback telling me that my efforts are appreciated...and for that I'm grateful. I will continue to provide help where and when I can. I guess despite my reasons I do feel bad that I cannot sit at home all day and respond to all of the request I get for information. If only I didn't have to work. Know what I mean? We are all very busy. None of us is any busier than the other. However, you have got to be willing to invest the time. Any of us will answer questions as you see here…but don't expect a custom recap because you…the new person to this board…..can't find the time to go through its many pages and get up to speed. Besides....to do so...I WOULD have to go through all of these pages just to ensure...you have accurate info. Im not trying to speak for everyone…but I bet they feel as I do. Thanks…I guess I just needed to vent. Frank Cerney |
| paul
n Jedi Knight (2/23/00 11:49:59 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Cool ! I'm a nice fellow! Hi Frank! I completely understand that you don't have the time to re-cap all this info. It was fairly foolish of me to make the request (see my e-mail to you). I actually do have plenty of time to go through every thing. I was recently de-moted at my job ("Full-Time Asistant Manager" to "Part-Time Asociate") basicaly so that my boss could give it (my job)to his best friend (my turn to vent now). I just made the request in a freak moment of lazyness . Also just for the record I'm not that new I'm just quiet (and some times lazy)  .Thanx! MTFBWY! Paul mailto:%20pjndux@worldnet.att.net "Yes!...Have some!" |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (2/24/00 1:31:41 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Paul get off your but and start surfin...you need to catch you up....so you can make one of these. When you figure out WHY you must have one..let us..Know....we have no idea. We all just know..we got to do it! Frank Cerney |
| pcmodeler
Jedi Knight (2/24/00 7:14:38 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Could this
have been used?
I've noticed a part used quite a bit on the various kits, primarily on the AT-AT and the Sandcrawler that I was unsure of. Take a look at this link and tell me if the engine couldn't have been used for several things. http://www.hyperscale.com/features/av8sm_1.htm The engine looks just like the piece on the back of the Sandcrawler and the AT-AT and may also appear on several others as well. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (2/24/00 10:36:26 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Could
this have been used?
Frank the c0ckpit I refered to you posted pics of some time ago.It was a pic of all your x-wing parts "kit".It had alot of very nice detail.I was impressed. Sorry I didnt know it wasnt available.Damn I wanted one.. Anyway I know I havent read EVERY post regarding the studio scale X & Y.I usually scan trough them for specific information. PC Modeler the engine from the 1/24 scale harrier WAS used on the AT-AT,sandcrawler,Slave 1. Jamie
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| pcmodeler
Jedi Knight (2/24/00 2:27:33 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Could
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Thanks Darkside. Those parts had been bugging me for a long time as to were they came from. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| paul
n Jedi Knight (2/24/00 11:36:44 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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BUMP! Don't want this one to die just yet
!MTFBWY! Paul
"Yes!...Have some!" |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (2/25/00 12:06:41 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
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you think an XWING is fun.........Im building the 32 inch Falcon! Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr
Rogue Jedi (2/26/00 7:01:06 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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bump
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| paul
n Jedi Knight (2/26/00 11:50:44 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Oh no ya' don't! Thought ya' could get away huh? Back up ya' go! By the way this is post #300 to this thread!  MTFBWY! Paul mailto:%20pjndux@worldnet.att.net "Yes!...Have some!" |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (2/28/00 1:52:02 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Flint...your parts will go out tomorrow. Keve...how did you like yours? Frank Frank Cerney |
| Flintlock Jedi Knight (2/28/00 11:14:17 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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What about this Flint? You still got some parts set aside for me? "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (2/28/00 11:21:32 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
sca les
In WATTO voice.. ": NO MONEY.........no pawts..." Yes..I have some for you. :-) Oh...if you got parts..and no Sherman parts were in it..those are now in the mail. Im going to cast up a couple of sets on top of what I know I will need..the put nolds away...as: 1) Im sick of making them. 2) I need the room. 3) I have a 32 inch FALCON I want to concentrate on. 4) Im almost out of resin anyway. 5) Im trying to get away from casting due to the health risks. Nasty messy stuff. 6) Getting back into resin figures. Building and painting. 7) Time. Frank Cerney |
| Boba
Flint Rogue Jedi (2/28/00 2:54:08 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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What's this! Health risks! Sick of making them! Time! I thought you were our little mold making/casting slave. Seriously, Frank I can understand. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| beaz Registered User (3/18/00 10:07:23 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Folks, I received a kit from Frank a week and a half ago & I must say I was very impressed by the quality of the craftsmanship, so much so that I promplty ordered one of his training remotes, too! As I told Frank last week, this stuff is crisp! In the next day or so, I'm going to whip out the digital camera and do a mini-review for this forum. I realize that for some of you, tracking down the original kit parts and casting them on your own is half the fun. I completely understand that. I'd like to have the time & money to do that myself sometime! The bottom line is though, if you want to build a full scale studio model replica of the X-Wing, it will cost you a lot more than $150 to get a hold of all the parts Frank is providing in his kit. There's no way around it. You either have to buy a lot of kits, or buy a few kits and a lot of rtv and resin and you will spend a lot of time and cash either way. Or you could drop $150 to Frank and get these parts for what is essentially a total steal! If you're serious about building this model, don't let Frank put away the molds just yet! Trust me. beaz Edited by beaz at:
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (2/28/00 10:27:18 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Alright, I won't need everything because I got a bunch of Saturn parts. I even got a Phantom Engine, but can't cast yet. So, this is all I'll need: R2 - $10 R2 Strip - $25 Heat Sinks - $15 Domes for the Engines - $5 Phantom Engines - $40 That's like $95, I think I may be able to scrape that up from somewhere... If you gotta the pawts, I may have a da money... "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (2/29/00 7:55:02 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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I gots da pawts...email me for info!! cerney1@aol.com Frank Cerney Edited by Cerney1 at:
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| kaiburr
Rogue Jedi (2/29/00 4:19:58 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Yo Frankie, Don't give up on making them just yet... my money ship is coming in! just one more week and I'll be a throwing down some imperial credits, pronto! nathan
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| beaz Jedi Knight (3/10/00 4:33:33 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
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Folks, Here's one man's opinion on Frank's X-Wing parts kit. I've spent some more time fondling the resin he sent me, and pouring through my resources on the X (SW Chronicles, Art of SW, etc.) comparing the parts he sent to the photos of the production models. I also compared the parts to those used by Bill George (yes, I believe it is that Bill George) in his beautiful kitbash of the Maxi-Brute here at Starship Modeler. Here's a picture of the kit Frank has made:  First things first. The castings Frank sent are really well crafted. You can't see it in the pictures, but the parts are very crisp. Any flash you see is minimal and sands off with a few swipes across the ol' sanding block. Frank didn't have all of the parts for the kit so he sent me what he had. I'm still waiting on the Sherman parts, which he is now working on. Also, I got only one copy of one part (part 8, which is meant to serve as the junction between the rear and forward engine sections) which means I need three more. Luckily, it's a very easy part to recast myself. Keep in mind that everything here is just a starting point for the parts they represent on a completed X-Wing. There is a considerable amount of modeling effort necessary to make these parts into a decent studio model X-Wing replica including adding additional panels from sheet styrene and greeblies from the parts box. Of course, you also need to roll your own c o c k p i t (dern it, Frank!), wings, cannons, engine mounts, and a fuselage if you don't already have one! Even so, Frank's kit is a huge timesaver and well worth the price. Now for a parts breakdown: 1) 4 Saturn V stage 3 parts for the forward engine sections. You'll need suitably sized half tube to flesh out the underside of each engine front. 2) 4 Phantom engine parts for the wing inserts (inside the wing openings closest to the fuselage). 3) 8 Phantom removable engine parts for the bulk of the rear engine sections. Each rear engine is comprised of about one and a half of these with a Phantom nozzle (4) attached to the business end. 4) 4 Phantom jet nozzles. These need to be dressed by adding in internal ring and one heat sink (6) at about the midline of each nozzle. If you're real adventurous, this is where the engine lights go, too! 5) 8 Saturn V engine bells for the engine intakes. Study references closely to see how these pieces are used. Essentially, each intake is made of a sandwhich of one of the bigger bells on a piece of styrene sheet with one of the smaller bells directly underneath. The tips of the bells need to be trimmed back a smidge and a thin strip of material is then run from the tip of the upper bell to the inside top of the engine opening. As far as I can tell, the parts Frank used here are dead on, and the parts Bill George used here:  are actually a bit off (maybe from a slightly different kit?) at least from the models in my pictures. Score one point for the amateurs! 6) 12 heat sinks - four for the engine nozzles and eight for the cannons, where two are glued back to back and the forward one is wrapped by a ring. 7) 1 R2 "strip." This is a thing of beauty. If you bought all the kits that provide the greeblies that go in here you'd have spent more than Frank's kit costs in its entirety. And then you'd have to build the dang thing to boot! Here's a centerfold of this part:  8) 1 cone (4 cones, Frank?) to connect the rear engine section to the forward engine section. This bit is mostly hidden by the Saturn parts. Not necessarily the exact part used, but close enough in this case. 9) 1 R2. The detail is actually a bit heavy on this casting, but it's tons better than building your astromech from scratch. Well, that's it for now. More to come as work progresses. beaz Edited by beaz at:
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/2/00 4:47:55 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Glad you like it!!! Sorry about the missing cones...no need to recast that one (I cant believe I forgot them!!!) Ill send them....Your SHERMAN PARTS are already in the mail. Frank Frank Cerney Edited by Cerney1 at:
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| kaiburr
Rogue Jedi (3/2/00 4:09:50 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Frank Cerney
rules!
Wow! Talk about capable hands... I can't wait to get mine in a couple of weeks! I'm making a great c ockpit, quite similar to the full-scale version. I'll keep everyone posted on it as an add-on to Frank's excellent parts. Nathan
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| Boba
Flint Rogue Jedi (3/2/00 8:16:23 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Frank
Cerney rules!
You better believe Frank Cerny rules! I just got my set of parts today and they are just fantastic.The heatsinks, phantom parts, all of them are very clean and crisp castings. Frank does a better job than some companys that mass produce resin parts. I think that is the key. Frank takes the extra time and effort to make sure everything is correct. Thanks Frank!! "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Flintlock Jedi Knight (3/2/00 10:39:00 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Frank
Cerney rules!
Frank, you seem like a good guy! Was wondering how long I actually have before you sell my parts to someone else... I am VERY hard pressed for money now... I am just a poor college student with a hoopty and no cash to spend on chicks (So I spend it on X-Wing parts right?). Already don't have enough to get clothes before I start school, but I am still very interested in your parts! Sorry that I don't have tha money right now, and if you feel it necessary to go ahead and sell my parts to someone who really wants them and can get them now, then I will understand... Thanks "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| pcmodeler
Jedi Knight (3/3/00 7:51:50 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Frank
Cerney rules!
WOW Frank. Those parts look fantastic. Screw it. I'm going to save myself some work and just get the full package from you. Could you e-mail me your address to webmaster@pcmodeler.com? It may not be until after the 15th of the month when I send off payment. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| darth
morpheus Jedi Knight (3/3/00 8:00:21 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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long thread oy 
"I like to dream...yes yes...right between the sound machine!!!!!" |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/3/00 9:37:09 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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sure! Frank Cerney |
| Simple Jedi Knight (3/3/00 7:28:10 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Ok, I'm mostly recovered from the crash of '00 ( look for the Fox special: when SMP computers go bad ). I've tried a back up of this thread with Teleport Pro, and placed it here: www3.sympatico.ca/cw...Wing.zip It's not the cleanest copy of a web page I've ever done ( you'll see what I mean ), but it does preserve the info thats been collected here. The HTML pages are in the X-Wing\pub2.ezboard.com directory, and are quite frankly a dog's breakfast, but the software doesn't seen to like ezboards very much. Take a look and let me know if it's worth doing a weekly update, and if you think the Y-Wing thread should be archived as well. In the mean time I'm going to keep trying to get a cleaner backup of the thread. Thanks Cam
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/5/00 10:09:21 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
ORDERS
Greetings. Its me..the resin monkey....time has come to make the following announcement. If you want a set of the parts..please have your order to me by march 15. If you cant swing the whole thing...then send me 50 bucks as a deposit so I can at least make a set of parts for you while you get a chance to gather more hobby money....trust me...I work the same way. I need to finish this project. I have other things to get to..and the molds take up ALOT of room...and frankly....as I have posted previously...its getting to be a pain. I still ahve a few kits to do for some trading Im doing...and..I NEED ONE!! So...all order I have currently will be filled. All items I still owe will be sent (cones I forgot...etc..) If you want a set..have full payment or the NON REFUNDABLE deposit to me by Match 15. After that date, I put the molds away.... I may possibly take any orders after March 15.....but that will be an undetermined date.....and for an undetermined amount...ie...the current price will no longer be valid. Probably ask 200 or more. Remember.... USe the ART OF SW as a reference for the XWING..its excellent. THANK YOU TO ALL THAT HAVE ORDERED!!!!!!! Hope you enjoy the kits. I look forward to seeing your post and pictures when you finish your projects. Sincerely yours in HOBBY BUILDING!!! Frank Cerney Frank Cerney Edited by Cerney1 at:
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| pcmodeler
Jedi Knight (3/6/00 8:46:43 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
ORDERS
Frank, I'll send off a deposit check for $50. The final payment of $100 should be right behind it by a week or so. Thanks. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/6/00 12:10:26 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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ORDERS
Thanks! Do not mean to rush everyone. I really don't expect too many other orders...I think everyone who wanted one is set. Just need to MOVE ON!! Meanwhile..landing gear boxes on the falcon are coming along nicely. I tinker aoround with my MAXI BRUTE now and then....but really havent done anything with it. Did we determine the WINGS template in the MAXI kit are right ?? or wrong? Frank Frank Cerney |
| Simple Jedi Knight (3/8/00 5:45:48 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Got my parts from Frank today! Great work Frank - nice, crisp details, even on the Saturn parts ( I find thin pieces a real pain to cast ). Anyone on the fence should jump off and send the deposit in, the parts aren't just a HUGE cost savings - they're also a good point to start scaling from photos. As for the wing question . . . I'm going to take a look at making a basic template this weekend . . maybe some cardboard prototypes to check scale . . . BTW, which one of you beat me out of the maxi-brute on ebay last Sunday ? Lost by two dollars and change . . . Cam
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| darth
morpheus Jedi Knight (3/8/00 5:55:15 pm) Reply | Edit | Del  |
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four months less 10 days oy
"I like to dream...yes yes...right between the sound machine!!!!!" |
| beaz Jedi Knight (3/8/00 10:07:40 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Sorry, Cam, I must admit I was the one who snagged of the maxi-brute Sunday night. Cost me a leg, but I figured I didn't need it so much after already losing an arm to Frank for the parts! Since the raw materials are costing so much for this X-Wing, I'm going to try awful hard to dump some more moolah into making a kit of my own, so that the first X-Wing replica I ever build won't have to be the last one too. This is fun! beaz |
| pcmodeler
Jedi Knight (3/9/00 12:09:21 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Frank, I mailed off the deposit check and also included a post dated check for the remaining $100. You should have it in your hands in a few days. Thanks. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| Simple Jedi Knight (3/9/00 12:21:39 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Beaz, Smeg ! I knew I should have gone higher on the maxi-brute. When you get it, can I bother you for some measurement / pics ? It looks like I may have to scratch build my body at the rate these things come up for sale. Cam
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/9/00 2:07:27 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Mark, Thank you... Looks like i have a busy weekend in store. Have a few orders to get out. Ill make a set up for you. Thanks again... Frank Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (3/16/00 8:22:40 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Cam, When I get the maxi-brute I'll be sure to post pix & measurements. Am going to talk to some tread-heads I know about the remaining unidentified bits on the tail-end and the backs of the guns to see if we can identify those pieces. beaz Edited by beaz at:
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| Boba
Flint Rogue Jedi (3/9/00 3:07:49 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
O.T
here
Anybody see Cerney's latest how-to article in Modelers Resource magazine. He tells us the secrets of making a facehugger stasis tube. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Simple Jedi Knight (3/9/00 4:04:47 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: O.T.
Here
So statis tube artical is out now ? Gotta go out 2night and find a copy - been waiting for it for a while now. So now I'll have ANOTHER project to add to an already crowded work bench . . . . Should someone post a new thread to let the non-x-wing types know ? Cam
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| ShackMan
Jedi Knight (3/10/00 4:35:38 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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MAN! I would say start another thread for the stasis tubes. I just had to get on here and find out what all could be said to rack up 330 posts. There are 17 pages to this thread! Thanks, ATM
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| Simple Jedi Knight (3/13/00 11:03:27 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Ok. I sat down this past weekend with Frank's parts, a ruler and as many pics of the wing section as I could find. First off, the picture that Frank sent is to small - the section the engine mounts on is about 4cm across, while the saturn engine piece is 4.5cm. I have managed to draw out a wing template that the engine half looks right on, but will need someone out there with a maxi-brute to look at to make sure it looks in scale with the rest of the fighter. Hopefully I can get near a scanner 2morrow to post it. I've got a question about the front end of the engines. If you look inside the intake of the engine, is the vertical strut a solid piece right back to the saturn nozzle ? or is it a beam type piece that only goes part way back into the engine ? I can't tell from any of the pics I've got. Anyone ? Later Cam
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/13/00 11:46:18 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Cam..yeah..like I said when I posted those pics...DO NOT USE as a measure refernce....its a casting...5 times old..at least. Im suprised...it was only 1/2 cm off...I expected more. re: the strut....Ill look at my reference. Frank Frank Cerney |
| Simple Jedi Knight (3/14/00 10:15:38 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Here's the wing template I did on the weekend. Sorry about the size of the image - I'm new to scanning - but if you set whatever image viewer you use ( I use AcdSee ) to fill a letter size page you should get a 1:1 scale image of the drawing. www3.sympatico.ca/cwynd/P...erwing.jpg Any and all feed back is good, just remember this is the top layer of the three layers that make up the wing. Frank, I know you said it would have shrunk some, but if my numbers are correct it shrunk about 4 cm. I wasn't expecting anywhere near that much. Thanks for looking into the engine ( get it ? looking into the engine ? ? ). None of pics I have show that part clearly enough to tell for sure. Cam
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| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (3/16/00 9:04:49 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Wing cannon question: What is the "fat" part of the cannons made from?Seems to be several parts. I know the round deal at the rear is a sherman wheel.Does anyone know the rest? Was this asked before? Did I miss it somewhere? Thanks, Jamie
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (3/16/00 12:03:38 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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I was wondering that too, about the fat part of the wing cannon... have no clue what it could be. However, it doesn't seem too hard to fabricate, because it's not that complex... "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| beaz Jedi Knight (3/16/00 1:21:45 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Cam, Responding to one of your earlier questions: just about every reference picture I have shows that the vertical strip in the engine you mention is just a strip, meaning it does not extend back very far into the engine. From what I can tell, it looks to be about as wide (deep) as the collar ring just behind the tip of the engine bell, and maybe a bit narrower than that. Have a look at this image:  and you can see what I mean. I think the shadow that the vertical beam casts on the engine bell provides further evidence of my impressions on this piece. Hope this helps, beaz |
| Simple Jedi Knight (3/16/00 1:30:21 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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beaz, Thanks very much - that pictures really is worth a thousand words. I think I've got enough info and parts to start building the engines . . . any feedback on the wing sketch ? DARKSIDE72, Congrats on the maxi-brute from ebay . . . if I'd gone $1 more . . . :-) Cam
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| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (3/16/00 9:37:03 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Thanks though Im Sorry, Cam I didnt know that was you.Keep trying man.I hate the thought of bidding against a fellow board member.I never expected it to go that high!!!!! YUCK! I am building 2, I had to have it.So does anybody know anything about the wing cannons?Help... Jamie
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| beaz Jedi Knight (3/16/00 11:01:26 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Cam, That wing template looks really good - thanks for putting that together! As soon as I get some measurements from my references I'll post here & we can compare. Still trying to find a minute or two to do some scanning, photographing and measuring. We still need to lock down some of the smaller parts that are obviously from kits. beaz |
| Simple Jedi Knight (3/16/00 11:03:17 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Darkside72 - That's the name of the ebay game isn't it ? Besides I've found one and should have it in the next two weeks. As for the cannon, the bits on the back are the tank wheels ( 1/72 th scale ? ) the front part is the heat sink ( yeah you know all this I'm sure ). The rest of it I was just going to scratch build from aluminum tube and styrene. Maybe build one and make a mold for the rest . . . would still need a metal rod through the better part of the cannon to prevent it from distorting unnder it's own weight ( ? ) I'd like to build from original parts, but I'm really bad at identifiying bits. Cam
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| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (3/18/00 5:38:59 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Ok check this out.Everyone turn to page 112 of the old chronicles.X-wing page 1.Get your hubble teliscope out ,This is hard to see.Also those of you that have the 1/72 hasegawa sherman look at part No.40. Look at the front detail area right next to the intakes.The recessed area.See what appears to be the 50 cal machine gun?I've seen this in other pictures.What do you guys think?Can anyone post a pic of this area? Jamie
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| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (3/19/00 1:27:38 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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So what do you guys think? Jamie
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| Simple Jedi Knight (3/19/00 3:32:34 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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I'm not sure where you're talking about . . . I've got a mess o' pics off the web to look at . . . is it inside the wing / engine assembly . . .? Can anyone out there post the pics from chronicles ? It'd help us all . . . Cam
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| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (3/19/00 5:35:34 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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The recessed area just to the SIDE and right next to the intakes, front view.All 4 intakes.There is only 1 side of the intakes that has a recessed area.Only the 1/24 scale x-wing models have this detail.Dont use the S/W-Indi book as a referance for this.In the chronicles picture you can only see one side of this detail ,the other side is obscured by shadow.Jamie
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Flint Rogue Jedi (3/19/00 7:08:50 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Yes Jamie that is the part. Now what is the part its glued to???? Anyone?? "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| belleauwood Jedi Knight (3/20/00 10:00:42 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Well, I just thought I'd go ahead and tell everyone else out there that Frank has yet another FULLY satisfied customer. He ain't kiddin folks when he says he wouldn't sell 'em unless he was excited about using 'em! I'm stoked to have the kit, and as soon as I get done with my custom blaster I plan on going full time on the X-wing. On a aside note, anyone ever cast the Maxi?? If so, who, and how $$? Ryan "This is MY force power. Its called a BLASTER!" |
| emojo5
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I just got my parts from Frank the other day too. Wow, what a really sweet job. The casting on this stuff is great. I can't wait to get a hold of either a accurate set of plans or a maxi-brute body, so I can get this thing going. If you are on the fence about this set... get off it! It only took 20+ years for someone to thing of doing this, don't miss out. signed
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| Simple Jedi Knight (3/21/00 10:34:53 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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I've got a maxi-brute coming to me . . . I think I'll have to mold and cast it . . . then ebay it to get some $$$ back on this project. BTW - a guy answered my ad for a maxi the other day, claiming to have a 1997 version ( ? ) . Does anyone know if this is really an Estes or some other brand ? He says it has rear deploy parachute, body split length ways through the model. It sounds easier to mold / cast, but if it's totally off on size . . . Good eyes on that machine gun ! What gun did that tank carry ? I have a military modeling store in town that might have that type of thing sold as an add on detail to tank kits. The details on each scale original vary don't they . . . anyone else see details INSIDE the engine intakes in some shots ? Is it worth duplicating, or that going over the edge ? Almost done the design work on the lower engine / engine insert . . . pics as soon as I'm done. Cam
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/21/00 2:05:27 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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the 97 maxi brute is WRONG!!! Glad you all like the parts. Anyone Id whats UNDER the gun on the wing?? Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (3/21/00 4:26:09 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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All, Since it's become pretty clear that the Hasegawa 1/72 Sherman is all over this model, I went out & bought one today ($5 at my local hobby shop!) even though I already had some recast parts from this kit from Frank. Here's what I think: 1) the machine gun (part #40) is in fact used in the recessed triangle next to each engine intake. Good call, Jamie! 2) I don't think part #9 is the wheel on the back of each gun - I count ten bolts/rivets on the Hasegawa wheel, twelve on the ILM model. It might also be too small. If it is the right size, then this part with the center drilled out & attached to a section of tube would work just fine. 3) I could be mistaken, but I'm almost positive that the Sherman wheel mounts (parts #10/11) can be seen directly under the rear engine mounts. See that bit with the two circles? Now look at the Sherman wheel mounts. Imagine what it would look like if you trimmed off the rear of a mount & then wrapped it with a bit of styrene strip to represent the vanes in that area on the ILM model. Any takers? beaz |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/21/00 4:51:53 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Good eye...Ill go home and check. Frank Frank Cerney |
| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (3/21/00 6:11:47 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Yes the wheel mounts seem to be the correct parts! Good job man! Jamie
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Flint Rogue Jedi (3/21/00 6:39:52 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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He's right! That's exactly what they are. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/21/00 10:13:42 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Ok...I have to look....but guess WHAT?????? Same part...10 and 11 Sherman Model See the SIDE DETAIL ON THe GUn????? that little BOX thingy??? Look CLOSER at part 10 / 11 Frank Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (3/22/00 8:59:18 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Cool! We're getting our money's worth out of this kit. Frank, what picture are you looking at? I can't find a good closeup pic of the side of the gun in either AOSW or SWC. Even so, I think I see the part you're talking about in the top view spread in AOSW. I'm looking at it from the side here, but to me it looks very much like it could be a portion of the center greeblies from the Sherman wheel mount. I think I see the rectagular-ish bit with the two "nipples" and the more cylindrical chunk just behind that. Is that what you're looking at, too? beaz |
| beaz Jedi Knight (3/22/00 9:26:17 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Guys, Now I'm really after these Sherman parts to see what else might have been used. Check this out: Check out the tank headlights, two parts #17. Now open your AOSW & look directly under (or over, if you're looking at a bottom wing) the tank wheel mount location on the back of the X just under/over the rear engine mounts. See what I see? It's a bit washed out looking at the rear-wing on the lower right side, but look at this area on the lower left side where there's better relief, again just above the wheel mount we found yesterday. If you look close you can make out the lamp dome and the three little prongs! beaz |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/22/00 11:40:42 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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"Frank, what picture are you looking at? " Im looking at a rough casting i have the the gun. Im telling you..its that PART!! they trimmed it out and stuck it on the gun!!! " but to me it looks very much like it could be a portion of the center greeblies from the Sherman wheel mount. I think I see the rectagular-ish bit with the two "nipples" and the more cylindrical chunk just behind that. Is that what you're looking at, too?" YES!!!!!! See it??? they there are two rods that are glued to the gun that go in front of it!!!! I dont have a decent photo either...who has an ICONS?? Ill dig up some pics I have!! Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (3/22/00 2:13:22 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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All, I pulled out my old MPC/ERTL X-Wing kit because I remembered that the picture on the box top is not of a build-up of the model inside the box, but a studio model. Don't believe me? Look closely at the picture: there's the Sherman machine gun right where Jamie found it, there are the heat sinks with their distinctive shape & ditto the Saturn engine bell parts. Granted the picture has been touched up horribly (especially in the shadows, blech) and the model is obviously not a hero, but I believe it is one of the studio X-Wings built for demolition. By all accounts several models were built for closeups and "flying" shots and these had articulated wings and lights in the engines, the guns, and the c0ckpit, let's call these heroes. Several others were built for explosions and these models had fixed wings and no electronics - let's call these stunts. The heroes and stunts all shared most of the same component parts, but it's obvious that more TLC went into producing the hero models. I believe that the picture on the top of the MPC kit box is of an original stunt model. It's rougher looking than the heroes, and it has the fixed wings of a stunt. As an aside, I also believe that the Icons kit was molded on an original stunt model. If we accept that this picture is of a studio model, and not the kit in the box, then it's a useful reference for our purposes. Having said all that, Frank is 100% dead-on. Looking at the side of the gun, which is prominent in this picture, I can clearly make out the chunk of the middle of the Sherman wheel-mount on the side of the guns that Frank spotted. It sits on a couple of rectangular chunks with two thin rods that run to the ring wrapped around the forward heat sink on the gun. Way to go, Frank! beaz |
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Jedi Knight (3/22/00 7:11:09 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Well has some serious SH!T on details been spelled out the past few days or what!!! You gotta love that sherman kit... Jamie
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/22/00 11:24:24 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Been out of resin. Got some in..so Ill be a casting fool this weekend. If you have an order...Illg et to you!! Also..Kevin..I owe you some cones..and Cam..I owe you an R2. I cant believe I forgot!! Got to quit drinking when Ipack these...so many little parts!!! they all look the same after a while!! If you have an order outstanding...or I owe ya ...EMAIL ME a REMINDER!! So I can match with my records!!! Thanks!! Frank Cerney |
| Simple Jedi Knight (3/22/00 11:34:51 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Frank, I got R2 - need the 2 cones. In fact I got two R2s. Went out and got the 1/72 Sherman 2night just to find out what u guys were talking about. Man caan you guys spot parts ! Just do me a favour - if you find out what was used for the lower engine, don't tell me ! I've spent a couple of hours on a aluminum insert and would hate to scrap it. Question: The cones in the engine . . .does it look like they left the nipples on 'em to you ? In some shots they look cut off in others ( SW to Indy ) it looks like they left them whole. Cam
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| beaz Jedi Knight (3/23/00 10:10:06 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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All, So, do I hear an 'Amen' on the Sherman headlights? Frank, Still waiting on three cones - no hurry. Cam, Don't pay any attention to the big X-Wing pic in FSWTIJ - that is the giant model built for ROTJ. I stood in front of this beauty in DC for an hour or more, mouth agape, for it is most surely a work of art. BUT, it is obviously not built out of the same stuff as the ANH scale models we're working on here, so it's probably best to ignore the ROTJ model altogether and focus on the construction techniques that went into making the smaller models. There are some smaller pics of the ANH models in FSWTIJ, but it's hard to see much detail in them. You're right on about the Saturn bells being modified. It looks to me like the nipples have been shortened on the larger bell halves and the tips trimed off the smaller bells. On the larger bells, the rounded tips are preserved, but the nipples are much shorter. When I get to the engines I intend to cut the nipples right off at the collar, clean up the collar so that its face is nice and flat, then trim off most of the stem of the nipple and glue the remaining tip back onto the collar. This shortens the nipple, but preserves the rounded tip. As for the smaller bells, it looks to me like the three tips on this bit have been trimmed back. Notice how each tip on this piece has a spherical section? Cut each little sphere in half. Now compare what you end up with to the intakes visible in Red One on page 112 of TSWC or Red Two on page 112 of TAOSW. Hope this helps, beaz |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/23/00 11:37:08 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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For those of you who bought my kit.......if you are wondering WHY you have 8 ingine parts that look the same....the Phanotom engine in the rear is the same part...glues to its self. So you need two. Pair them up,..and trim accordingly. Also...dont forget to trim the strip on the Phantom exhaust "turkey fethers"..it is to be trimmed off. Frank Frank Cerney |
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Flint Rogue Jedi (3/23/00 4:18:34 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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I may have found a clue to a detail on the Phantom engines. The very front part there is something that has an M shape. Some aircraft modelers told me it looked like landing gear for a C-47. I bought an Italeri C-47 1/72 scale kit the landing gear was close but not exact.With a little chopping and rearanging of parts I made it come much closer to the real thing. The other piece on the same section of the engine I believe is a gun from a small tank kit (1/72).This is the machine gun that would stick out the front of the tank's hull. I remember looking at kit years ago when searching for Tie Bomber parts. I knew I should have bought it then. I don't remember what kind of tank or the company that made it, but if someone has a few tanks in that scale look and see if it has that part. just something to consider. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
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In the next few days I'm going to archive this thread and post it on my site just in case it ever leaves the board. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| beaz Jedi Knight (3/24/00 1:03:22 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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This is a most awesome thread! beaz |
| Simple Jedi Knight (3/25/00 8:34:47 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Ok, just carpet taped my lower engine / insert together as a test fit. The bottom engine bit and the part of the tube that extends into the Saturn V body is a scrap piece of aluminum tubing left over from a Graflex type saber. The rest is styrene sheet.  and the insert set inside the Saturn body tube:  I can post patterns for each of the pieces if anyone is interested. I think I may just use this one as a master to mold off of - I'm out of aluminum tubing, and resin is easier to 'adjust' when mounting time comes. Cam
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| beaz Jedi Knight (3/25/00 3:30:00 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Sweet! You may have the sturdiest engines of all time there, Cam. What diameter tubing did you use? I'm in the process of preparing a big Plastruct order. The ILM guys used lots of Plastruct & the catalog has changed very little since 1976. Looking at the construction pics in SWC until my pupils bleed, some of the Plastruct stuff is starting to look familiar. Anyway, I'm working on approximate measurements for all the tubes and sheet (acrylic & styrene, plain & patterned) I figure I'm going to need. I'm going to fashion the fuselage & wings before I start work on the engines. My plan: 1) Gently scribe cut the Maxi-Brute fuselage in half, separating top from bottom. 2) Attach styrene sheet to inner surfaces of fuselage to provide more strength & thickness to the structure. 3) Install three or four baffles for additional strength. Each baffle will have a half circle cutout for the 1/2" (I think) aluminum/pvc tube internal armature/mount support, which will run from rear to front and have side & bottom mounting points, just like the studio models. 4) Cut out Maxi-Brute canopy and install scratchbuilt one. 5) Cutout R2 strip & install Frank's. 6) Scratchbuild c0ckpit. 7) Fix any geometry problems with the Maxi-Brute & sand nice & smooth. 8) Add a bit more styrene backing to the inside of the torpedo tube areas and file out openings from the outside. 9) Scribe panel lines into entire fuselage. 10) Mold & cast fuselage halves, nose cone. 11) Come up with a mechanism for articulating the wings around the internal armature tube. 12) Build up wing sandwiches, wing greeblies, engines, mounting points for engines & guns. 13) Build up greeblie areas next to engines in front & back. Mold, cast & attach. 14) Build up guns from styrene/acrylic main tubes and aluminum/brass telescoping tube. 15) Build up rear panel. Mold, cast. 16) Build up mounting point covers (rear, bottom & both sides). Mold, cast. 17) Attach wings to internal tube. 18) Attach Fuselage (with c0ckpit), rear panel to internal tube. 19) Paint (woohooo!). 20) Attach guns. 21) Zoom around room with new prize going "It...came from...behind...aaarrrgghhhhh!" I may be at this for a while, fellas... beaz |
| kaiburr
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Right with you, Red Three! Excellent to see others with the same agendas. I would also like to motorize my S-Foils. Nice work, Simple! If you do any casting, let us know. nathan
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| Simple Jedi Knight (3/26/00 9:20:39 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Thanks guys. The tubing is 1.5 inch O.D. with a wall thickness of about 1.5mm (sorry about mixing measurement systems), and the bottom part has a built up thickness of about 3mm. The nice bit here is that if you sand out the inside of the Saturn body the top part of the tube disapears, and holds the body tube in shape. If you're going to order from Plastruct, look at the wing detail. See the odd shaped next to the engine with the mesh pattern ? I'm pretty sure it's an H.O. scale ( ? ) brick pattern on plastic. I'm going to check out the Den of Trains today to see if I'm right. >>11) Come up with a mechanism for articulating the wings around the internal armature tube. Just use the one AMT used on their models - I think they copied it off of whatever Lucas gave them to study. I'll be figureing that bit out once I confirm the wing size I've drawn fits the maxi body (which should arrive this week!). >>12) Build up wing sandwiches BIG question here. A while back someone said use acrilyc panels for the middle part of the sandwich to keep the wings from drooping. Has anyone else noticed that this centre part of the wing is WEDGE shaped ? How do I get a consistant wedge 4 times for 4 wings in material that thin ???? As for casting the inserts, I'm going to make a mold in the next couple of days. The downside here is that the aluminum was scap and is pitted on the outside. I'm going to try and polish it up a bit, but the RTV will still pick up even the smallest scratch. Any resin copies will need some TLC to be usable, but if you want a set I should be able to provide them for you. TTL Cam
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| DARKSIDE72
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Yes nice job Cam.Is it just me or is there more to the maxi brute than meets the eye?It was obviously produced from an actual studio model.Size,shape.I mean If you take the back "sherman hull" area and put the actual part up against it, its a perfect match in size! I want to run this by you guys.The main wing/engine sections.If you play around with them ,add the saturnV parts to them, they are damn close in scale.They need alot of work but not that much.Are they good enough to use here?It would save a guy alot of time.Not to mention headach to utilize these parts.Anyone else thought about this?Lay your saturn lem stage on the maxi section,look at the over head in the AOSW.Its way close. My plans are for 2 x-wings. One is the awesome cast I received from Doug.The other is the plain old maxi.One will have the wings closed I think,the other will have lights,motorized wings I hope,basically the works. Lets hear some ideas on the motorized wings!!!!!! How to ? Jamie BTW where on the web has pictures of the actual studio scale model? And not the smithsonian monster.Its all wrong for our purposes.Do they exist?
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| Simple Jedi Knight (3/26/00 9:39:45 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Jamie - Thanks. Could you do me a favour ? a couple of pages back I posted a link to the wing template I made. Could you print it out and check it next to the maxi's wing? I used a bunch of sources and it looks close if you put the saturn body on the drawing. Frank was asking the same question about the Estes wing as you are. I'm not sure if anyone commented. Thanks Cam
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| beaz Jedi Knight (3/26/00 11:52:07 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Cam, You're right about the wings being wedge shaped. I plan on building the entire wing out of acrylic for strength. The middle section on mine will be ribbed, as opposed to solid. All, I'm thinking about tracking down one of the correct 1/32 Revell Phantom kits for the engine parts. I still plan on using Frank's wing inserts, but I'd like to have the other original engine parts so that I can build one up, detail it with greeblies, then mold and cast it whole, as opposed to using Frank's part, in which case I'd be casting a casting. So, my question is: there are so many 1/32 Revell Phantom variants out there. How do I tell which kit is a correct kit without looking inside every box? Got any kit numbers out there I can go by? Thanks, beaz |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/26/00 1:10:25 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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get one with removable engine... Frank Cerney |
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Cam, I am forwarding the pic of your wing to my wifes work.I'll have it tomorrow to compare. I know these maxi wing/engine sections are going to work fine. Jamie
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I was thinking the same thing about the wing mesh being a brick pattern. If it isn't HO scale, it could be N, or simply a sheet pattern available in kit form for hobbyists.
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| beaz Jedi Knight (3/27/00 1:06:43 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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I'm ordering the 1/100 (HO) scale and the 1/125 (TT) scale brick sheet from Plastruct just to cover my bases. I'm pretty sure it's one or the other. beaz |
| Simple Jedi Knight (3/27/00 9:29:59 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Guess what? My maxi-brute was waiting for me today after work. I'm doin' the Snoopy dance of joy here ! Rockets-R-Us delivered in less than 2 weeks, and the kit was still wrapped in it's original shrink wrap ! Now a couple of observations . . . 1) it needs a nose job - the bottom half is wrong 2) the wing templates Estes provides look small, in fact the main engine is smaller than the Saturn body part . . . I'll be using my template I think, along with Franks parts 3) does anyone else getting the burning urge to to use the maxi as a template to a styrene scratch build ? ( . . . Igor fetch my calipers and dividers, we be measuring styrene this weekend . . . ) I mean if you're going to cut panel sheets out for the body details anyway . . . As for the brick detail on the wing, I picked up two different sized patterns at the hobby store today BUT they didn't have a scale on them - I think the smaller the detail on this part the better. Cam
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/2/00 9:10:35 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Cam, I was disapointed in the underside of the nose too, until I discovered there's an extra plastic "chin" part on the sprue tree that fits under there to flesh it out properly, just like there's an extra styrene section toward the end of the fuselage. It'll still need work to hide the seams, but don't forget that chin! I actually think the maxi body is quite servicable as is. I plan on scribing panel lines directly onto it with the ol' needle in a pin vise. There are some additional raised panels to add on top of that, but not too many. beaz Edited by beaz at: 4/2/00
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| Simple Jedi Knight (3/27/00 10:36:39 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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beaz, I took another look - you're right on the money as far as the nose is concerned. As for scratch building v.s. using the body as-is . . . it is usable no doubt about it, and would need little fixing up. I kinda don't want to damage the original in making my model ( look how rare they are now, can you imagine in 15 yrs time ? ), and also I want my wings to open and close. The maxi has an odd wing mount designed for open only by the looks of things. Scratch building will take me a he11 of a lot longer, but I think it may be worth it to me . . . My other option is to make a solid cast of the sucker and get my step father to vacu form a couple of bodies to play with ( my vac table is only 12x12 inch - way to small to do the job ). Hmmm. Might ask him about that next time I see the folks . . . Cam
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/29/00 11:16:27 am) Reply | Edit | Del  |
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Now that Im finsihing up making all these damn parts for everyone esle.... I can get back to My Xwing I cut up an engine last night. The real styrene masters I used to mold. I sanded the lip off of the phanton exhaust...make the inside of it thicker. The ART of book..shows a ring around the heat sink. My question....anyone else going to LIGHT theres??? Frank Frank Cerney |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/29/00 11:16:37 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Now that Im finsihing up making all these damn parts for everyone esle.... I can get back to My Xwing I cut up an engine last night. The real styrene masters I used to mold. I sanded the lip off of the phanton exhaust...make the inside of it thicker. The ART of book..shows a ring around the heat sink. My question....anyone else going to LIGHT theirs??? Frank Frank Cerney |
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Flint Rogue Jedi (3/29/00 12:05:17 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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I've made a ring that fits the heat sink Frank has provided ( for use in the Phantom engine). I'll be placing an order for RTV and resin soon to make castings. If you guys will be interested in a set let me know. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/29/00 12:27:31 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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I have an observation. In the ART SW…there doesn't seem to be any styrene added to inside of Phantom exhaust Nozzel. The Ring around the heat sick looks to be pretty thick…like 4 to 5mm. On the resin castings I have of engines…there is Styrene….and if you add a ring around the heat sink it ends up looking thinner. 2 to 3 mm. Any comments? Frank Cerney |
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Flint Rogue Jedi (3/29/00 4:30:26 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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It looks like the ring I made is about3-4mm thick. All I can say is that the heatsinks I got from you, Frank, fit comfortably inside the ring and that whole assembly fits into the Phantom's exhaust , or turkey feathers, without adding anything else. Another occasion in which I wish I had a digital camera so I could show everyone. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Simple Jedi Knight (3/29/00 7:54:11 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Frank, I'm with you on lighting them. I'm looking at a high intensity red LED and some kind of diffuser to go around the outter part of the heat sink. Cam
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| kaiburr
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Frank, mine will definately be lit up. As for the inner jet detail, it does appear to be awfully thick in there... as if an additional band was created to fill the diameter. Looks to be identical in guage to the other used here and on the guns. Simple, if casts are in the works, keep me informed! Nathan nkhyber@aol.com
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (3/29/00 10:30:24 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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RED LEDS are the way to go. Im thinking a frosted acrylic for a diffuse. I want to redo the instruments as well...soemthing that looks like XWING game. Im not casting s h i t. Im done. I have too much stuff on my plate. Frank Cerney |
| Simple Jedi Knight (3/31/00 12:31:29 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Frank, Frosted is the way to go around the fins of the heat sinks - do you think it's worth putting a clear bit in the core of the heat sink with some kind of a dimaond pattern ? This MIGHT give that sparkle effect we saw in the special addition ? Instruments ? Want to light them too ? I can get my hands on some fiber optic cable from work, then ya just need to make really, really small holes in the c0ckpit . . . Kaiburr, I am casting my engine inserts - I have no more aluminum to make more. RTV will be poured 2morrow if I can get a decent finish on the bottom engine part ( almost there ! ). I'll post pictures of what I end up with, as I need to decide if I'm putting the Saturn engine bells on the master or not when I make the mold. Man are we close to producing this thing, or what ? I can't wait to see pics of everyone's X-wing. TTL Cam
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| kaiburr
Rogue Jedi (4/1/00 1:43:40 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
cam
castings
Smashing, Baby! I'm game for those when you're ready!
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| Boba
Flint Rogue Jedi (4/2/00 3:16:31 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
IT LIVES!!!!! "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/3/00 4:44:15 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Frosted is the way to go around the fins of the heat sinks - do you think it's worth putting a clear bit in the core of the heat sink with some kind of a dimaond pattern ? This MIGHT give that sparkle effect we saw in the special addition ? Instruments ? Want to light them too ? I can get my hands on some fiber optic cable from work, then ya just need to make really, really small holes in the c0ckpit . . . Yeah...great IDEA!!! Im gonna redo the instruments...make em look like XWING GAME Frank Cerney |
| GW2Tulsa
Rogue Jedi (4/3/00 9:06:24 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
FINALLY got a
Maxi (brute that is :)
Well, Beaz beat me to a pulp trying to get it, but its mine
Cost me $112 plus change. Now I've gotta start saving up for one of Frank's Kits and start prepping to make the Vac Molds for the Maxi hull. I don't want to see others pay $100 plus like I did just to get a model rocket they're only going to use one piece of 
-Gary P.S. I spent 15 minutes at work today printing out all 400 posts in this thread
If anyone finds out there I'm probably a dead man. After looking at all
this info, I'm almost tempted to write a book on how to make one of these
models...
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| GW2Tulsa
Rogue Jedi (4/3/00 11:21:54 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Frank, a
question...
Frank, Like I just posted. I have my maxi and will start on a base body shell as soon as I get it. My question to you is this: By the time I have the bodies done, will you still have the Kits availiable? If necessary, I'd try to pay for one now, but I would prefer to wait a month or two so I'm not spending nearly $300 on one replica (I can't help the fact that I'm a cheapskate
) You can blame Boba Flint for the above question. I saw his Kit from you at the last Plano show and decided that I had to have the Studio Scale X-Wing... Thanks a ton, -Gary
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| pcmodeler
Jedi Knight (4/4/00 9:41:00 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Frank, a
question...
Got my parts yesterday Frank. They look fantastic. It was amazing how many more parts were recognizable by looking at the actual parts as opposed to looking at a photo. Now I just need to get off my butt and start on the project. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (4/4/00 10:22:56 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: FRANKS
X-WING KIT
WAAAAHHH WAAAAAHH !!!!!! I DONT HAVE MINE YET!!!!!! bottom lip drops,hangs to chin... holds breath... face getting red,turning blue....wont breath again until has Franks kit....
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/4/00 11:56:32 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: FRANKS
X-WING KIT
Gary...not a problem.... Mark...Glad you liked it... Jamie.....it was shipped..need to send sterling in sep box. will asap. To All...I have acasting of a GUN...that Tim Ketzer gave me. It was molded off of one from ILM. Its too rough to cast..but its great reference...Im making a new master. Should I sell a gun?? or..you all making your own?? Frank Frank Cerney |
| Simple Jedi Knight (4/4/00 12:24:49 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Frank, I'd like to make my own - can you send / post a pic with measurements ? Cam
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/4/00 12:48:41 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: FRANKS
X-WING KIT
Frank, Which section are you thinking about casting? I'm thinking about building up the main gun part - the part that sits on each wing, minus the wheel on back and the heat sinks up front - and casting that. We also still need to track down the parts for the wheel on the back of the gun, and the slightly conical wheel near the tip. Once we've figured out what those wheels are, I plan on casting them as well. The remainder forward of the main gun on my X will be telescoping brass/aluminum for strength. A couple good closeup pictures of what Tim gave you would be incredibly helpful if you can swing it! Yesterday, I scanned the pictures (rear & top shots) from AOSW after carefully removing the pages from the book and resized them to full scale in Photoshop. I printed the resulting images on glossy photo paper (two pages for the rear view, six for the top) using my inkjet. I now have life-size posters for comparing the relative sizes of parts, measuring angles, etc. When I place the parts we've gathered so far on the posters, I get exact matches size-wise! I'll find a way to make the image files available asap. They're quite large - the top view alone is 27 megs - but are proving quite useful! I'll fire up the digital camera soon & show y'all what I mean. beaz Edited by beaz at: 4/4/00
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| GW2Tulsa
Rogue Jedi (4/4/00 2:56:59 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
x-wing
Frank- Thanks. I'll let you know when I'm ready. As for the Guns, I'm all for the main body being made, but I think I would like to make the shafts and emitters themselves. Everyone probably has access to the Heat Sinks via your kit so they arent necessary. I think the Gun from the heatsink back without the pipe detailing would be fine. No matter what it would still be better than Icons
Beaz- Refernce poster sounds like a great idea. Contact me directly please. I would like to talk to you about those Image files. I have access to a large format Inkjet printer here at work and those would make great reference material... Everyone- How is everyone doing on Bodies right now. I fully intend to do a female mold of my maxi body once I get it. That way I can have pulls out of thick enough styrene to scribe panel lines on. I'm also planning on making a couple parts seperate from the hull out of resin like the Canopy frame and the mounting covers on the sides and bottom. Frank I would like to make absolutely sure that your R2 Strip and rear detail (you make that rear hatch area right? ) fit seamlessly into this body I'm making. Chances are I will have to get those from you first in order to do some test fits with the Maxi... -out -Gary
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/5/00 8:25:24 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
x-wing
All, I've got the scaled-up top and rear view images up on juston.com, a freebee file hosting site. These images are large - 27 megs for the top view, 6.5 megs for the rear view, but they are as close to actual size as I could make them. They are in the TIFF format, so you will need a graphics program to view them. Whether you print them out or just look at them on your screen, they're a lot easier to use than the pictures in the book. Click on these links for the images: Top View (plan) Rear View Hope this helps. beaz Edited by beaz at: 4/5/00
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/4/00 10:04:47 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
GUN
What do you think??
Edited by Cerney1 at:
4/4/00 10:04:47 pm |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/4/00 11:33:58 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
EZ ALL MESSED
up??
I have no EDIT function and forgot to hit the HTML box I scratch built the REAR rim thingy...using..get this..the one in MAXI Brute, Cut the end off the one ESTES supplies...cut a small circle of THIN styrene ( Iused a HOLE punch) and steal 12 NUTS from another model..and WALLA!!!
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| GW2Tulsa
Rogue Jedi (4/4/00 6:54:18 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
X-wing
gun
Frank, looks kick ass. Considering you used the Maxi, I think most of us could build are own if we wanted to do a little more scratcc building. Myself, I know I'm gonna be killed trying to build everything else, so I'd settle for a couple resin casts
-Gary
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| Boba
Flint Rogue Jedi (4/4/00 7:18:48 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
gun
If you make castings of that you know I'll want to buy some. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| pcmodeler
Jedi Knight (4/4/00 8:14:38 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
gun
Grandt Line (A railroad aftermarket company) makes dozens upon dozens of different bolt heads if anyone is looking for a source. Not sure if they have a web site but any hobby/railroad shop should have them or should be able to get them for you. Another trick is to find a bolt that you like. Take a small bit of epoxy/putty/milliput and make a few molds of that bolt. Melt the end of a sprue tree with a flame and press it into the mold. Easy to make a bunch of bolts that way. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| beaz Jedi Knight (4/4/00 8:43:29 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: EZ ALL
MESSED up??
Looks great, Frank! What'd you use for the tube section? It looks tapered toward the front end. beaz |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/4/00 10:08:31 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: EZ ALL
MESSED up??
Yes..I have to mold it...as I dont want to make three more. The tube is the PLASTRUCTS tube. I can tell you which one exactly..when I get home...I just measured that crappy resin gun..and found the tube that matched. Even have the one that goes around the heat sink.... The detail ON THE GUN..the real fine panel likes?? Tim Ketzer suggested I use tape. He also pointed out there are LEFT handed GREEBLINGS from teh sherman (wheel mounts) and RIGHT handed ones. . You know Tim..that mean nasty German kid who never helps anyone..... Frank Cerney |
| GW2Tulsa
Rogue Jedi (4/4/00 10:15:33 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Beaz...
Got a problem with the links above. I can see them in my Browser via QT4, but I can't save them off to my HD. When I do a "save as" or even a "save target as" all I get is the option to save it out as an html file... Any options? -Gary
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/5/00 8:30:44 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Beaz...
Gary, Go back to the post above and try the links now. I edited the URLs such that you shouldn't have any problem doing a "Save Target As..." now. Hope this helps, beaz Edited by beaz at: 4/5/00
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| GW2Tulsa
Rogue Jedi (4/5/00 9:07:34 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
x-wing
images
Thanks Beaz, I'll try it tomorrow at work. Frank, you're gonna have to tell us WHICH plastruct tube
Oh and your right, Tim never helps ANYBODY
Its off topic, but I made my first Fiberglass pull from the 1:10 Delorean mold yesterday. Not too bad, but I wish I had paid a little more attention to detail the first time around. Right now it looks like I will not be putting opening doors on it
WAAAAAY too much work for the payoff...-Gary
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/5/00 10:08:22 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: EZ ALL
MESSED up??
All, Here's my first stab at the Plastruct tubing for the main gun. Frank, if you could, let me know if this meshes with the measurments you've taken and/or the tube you're using. I started this guesstimate based on the fact that the heat sinks are 3/4" across and worked backward from there. In the following image, "OD" stands for outside diameter, and "ID" stands for inside diameter.  Let me know what you think! beaz |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/5/00 10:15:48 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Gun
Looks awesome!!! thats what I show ..also...the casting I have....in section "2" its ribbed!!! Or looks like it was. Dont ask. But it is..I used ribbed styrene that I had laying around.
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/5/00 10:28:30 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Gun
Frank, Ribbed? Cool! Do the ribs run east/west or north/south as you're looking at the gun in the picture I posted? beaz |
| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (4/6/00 9:15:18 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Gun
Beaz, is there anyway you could post a list of all the parts used for your gun? Like stock No.,size,etc? I want to start ordering! The picture you posted has stuff written off to the side but I cant read it.It looks great BTW. Jamie
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/6/00 9:47:59 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Gun
Jamie, I wish that I'd already built that gun, but it's not mine! Just to be clear, that picture was pilfered directly from the AOSW book - I used this scan to figure relative measurements based on the size of the one piece I do have - the heat sink. I'm preparing my Plastruct order for everything I think I'll need (and then some) for the guns, engines and wings. When I've finished compiling that, I'll post it here for review & comment. As for the Plastruct stock #s and sizes, it's all in the image I posted - if it runs off to the right of your browser window, just use the scroll bar at the bottom of your browser to scroll over and have a look-see. If you still can't see it, for some reason, click right here to pull up just the image. To anyone who is working on one of these and who does not yet possess a Plastruct catalog: stop what you are doing and get the catalog, now! I mean it! It's only five dollars and should be considered required reading for this project. Go here: http://www.plastruct.com/ if you don't already have one. beaz |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/6/00 10:01:06 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Gun
Good advice Beaz!!! the Catalog...is a MUST have. Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr
Rogue Jedi (4/6/00 4:18:36 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Guns
Frank, you probably don't want or need the plug, but here goes... I recieved your kit just yesterday and it certainly meets and excedes expectations. Thanks for providing such good service. When you cast your guns up, you have a buyer (probably several) as your casting quality is excellent. Just let me know when the're for sale. Nathan.
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/6/00 4:40:00 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Guns
Thank you!! :-) Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (4/6/00 9:49:08 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Guns
Frank, Do the "ribs" you mention on the gun run the length of that section of tube or do they run around the tube (=== or |||)? beaz |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/6/00 11:21:26 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Guns
around....Ill post a scan later Frank Cerney |
| pcmodeler
Jedi Knight (4/7/00 7:28:14 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Guns
I would take a set of guns as well. I feel real guilt about you doing all of the work and me just buying the results. I have so many projects going on that it helps me in the end as far as time goes. I still have to finish up a full size BG: Cylon helmet for someone. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com |
| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (4/7/00 7:49:36 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Cerney...You DA Man!!!
I received Frank's parts yesterday evening! What can I say? They are fantastic! Frank thank you so much for casting this kit.The quality is super.Not to mention the headach you saved us here! I only had one problem.. no R2
Guess Frank was drinking again when he packed mine. Im kidding!I know,
he's coming.As far as the wing guns are concerned,I think I will build
them myself.Even though Franks castings are real tempting.Jamie
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/8/00 8:12:13 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Guns
Frank, Thanks! A scan or two of the gun you have would be most helpful. All, How are you planning on hollowing out the torpedo tubes on the sides of the fuselage? Drill press? Filing by hand? beaz |
| GW2Tulsa
Rogue Jedi (4/8/00 8:35:03 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Torpedo
Holes
Probably won't be too much of a problem for me. I will have my Maxi next week sometime and should start on the new body. I'll make a point to add those to the form. also, I'm looking at making the nose a seperate resin piece as well as the @#%$pit frame and and mounting panels. Don't mean to jump the gun, but has anyone given much thought to the wings? I know that the original handbuilt ones used some sort of plexi/acrylic for the wings so the wouldn't droop. Myself I was planning on doing the same, but with a variation. I was going to have the wings CNC cut on a planar router table. That would insure consistency and accuracy among all the wings (also leaves open the possiblilty of doing them from sheet aluminum). If I'm right the wings are three+ sandwiched pieces of sheet meterial. Also, if they can be done, we can add the engine mount boxes out of the same material. That way they would NEVER droop or give wayand would make an excellent mating surface to the body or "x-ing" mechanism... Just a thought, what are your opinions?... -Gary
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/8/00 10:16:49 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Torpedo
Holes
FYI. The Wings on teh real Xwings....the hero..where HALLOW. The did taper...and thats why they are hallow. Im going to make the base in ALUMINUM..then add the plastic to it.Im seriously thinking about making them movable. Frank Jamie!! Ill get R2 out!! I had bubbles in one..so I cast a second..but he didnt make it to the bag. I try to send the parts with NO bubbles. But..I screw up 2 for every good one of anything. Ill post some pics later. Frank Cerney |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/9/00 12:42:48 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
gun
thw horizontal lines just behind the heat sinks... are hard to see. Frank Cerney |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/9/00 1:28:09 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
gun
I have sent all teh stuff owed to people..with a recent exception. Cam...I think I still owe you cones too. Everyone else get their stuff????? Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (4/9/00 9:09:58 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
gun
Frank, Cool! Thanks for the scan. I can kinda - maybe kinda - make out some texture there, in the section you're talking about. I'll take your word for it! That's one lumpy chunk o resin with one lumpy paint job, but it's still a good reference point for sure. Special thanks to Tim for providing this to Frank & to you Frank for taking the time to post some helpful shots here! beaz |
| pcmodeler
Jedi Knight (4/9/00 4:02:51 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
The
photo
From what I can see in the photo, it also looks like there is some scribed lines near the moungting point. Mark F> http://www.pcmodeler.com/
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/10/00 9:08:06 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: The
photo
This is what I have so far. I "temp" glued the heat sink on for looks. I havent put the SHERMAN greebling..or the rectangle it sits on yet. The Gun HEAT SINK RING. Has a Bottom..made with THIN Styrene I thinjk .75 MAYBE 1mm I think its the .75 though. Also..the FORWARD heat sink....yes..it takes two...does NOT sit all the way back obviously..it sits forward a bit in the "cup". Tim said the real ones were also like that. NOTE: if the "ribbing is wrong.." Im keeping it. I like it. Im not exactly doin a STUDIO version. My engines will have added detailing...like brass and aluminum tubing. Frank Frank Cerney Edited by Cerney1 at:
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/10/00 12:24:42 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: The
photo
Cool! Very nice, Frank! beaz |
| beaz Jedi Knight (4/10/00 9:20:15 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: The
photo
Frank, When (if) you get a minute, how about a scan of the other side of the gun. As Davey Jones once put it to Marcia Brady, "ow about the flip soid?" beaz |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/11/00 2:31:26 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: The
photo
which gun...the real one? or mine?? :-) Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (4/11/00 3:58:05 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: The
photo
How about both?!! (I know, I know, I'm a greedy mug!) Or, if you've only got time for one, how about yours? beaz |
| pcmodeler
Jedi Knight (4/12/00 2:50:03 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Gun
Looks like what I thought was scribed was actually a raised styrene portion. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com/
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| GW2Tulsa
Rogue Jedi (4/12/00 9:19:42 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Here's the
MAXI-BRUTE...
Gang, Here is a little informative post for everyone who DOES NOT have a Maxi-Brute X-Wing. This is to let you know just what you are getting when you CAN find one. First off lets see the important parts. Basivly these are everything you MIGHT use for the X-Wing project. I've gone ahead and subassembled and engine assembly and a gun. I left out the wood and primary rocket parts.  Group Shot of components Body is blowmolded styrene and most of the sub-parts are injected molded styrene. The engine cylinders are paper as are the gun tubes.
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| GW2Tulsa
Rogue Jedi (4/12/00 9:32:20 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Frank,
contact me...
Frank, I would greatly appreciate your input and assistance on my new x-wing body project. Could you please contact me via e-mail. gw2@ix.netcom.com Thanks a ton, Gary
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/13/00 1:00:40 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Frank,
contact me...
sure.... So..whats everyone missing?? Part wise Frank Cerney |
| SeoulWind
Jedi Knight (4/13/00 1:16:20 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Info and a
link
Forgive me if this has come up before but I have done some checking and it looks like the Estes Xwing that was released in 1997 is the same size and in fact may be a re-release of the Maxi Brute Xwing. This release does not carry the Maxi Brute name however, so if it is the same one it may be easier for everyone to find _and_ it has probably been passed over at eBay et al during the search. I cannot confirm that is is the same one, but the apprximate dimensions I have seen listed are very close. Can someone else confirm this for me/us? Also, check this link for pics from an Xwing builder who has gone over this path before us: http://www.starshipmodeler.com/gallery/bg_xwing.htm Those of you who have produced parts for this: Are there any plans to offer these parts for sale in the future? Are they still available now? Mark
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| SeoulWind
Jedi Knight (4/13/00 1:45:51 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Also...
Is this the same Xwing? It's by North Coast... www.astronomers.net/rockets/ur321.htm Retails at $99.99... Mark
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| GW2Tulsa
Rogue Jedi (4/13/00 7:02:55 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
NC Rocketry
X-wing
I want to say that they are different. From appearances it looks like the NC version is a little stubby. The Maxi looks more to scale. Frank has stated that these are not the same before, but i'm not sure what his provenance for that statement is. -Gary
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/13/00 11:30:56 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: NC
Rocketry X-wing
I think you just said it Gary...short and stubby..and wrong scale.... "I want to say that they are different. From appearances it looks like the NC version is a little stubby. The Maxi looks more to scale. Frank has stated that these are not the same before, but i'm not sure what his provenance for that statement is." Frank Cerney |
| GW2Tulsa
Rogue Jedi (4/13/00 7:56:41 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
X-Wing body
concept sketch...
Gang, I hope this is "on topic" ;) I just wanted to share with you all an early concept sketch of what I plan to produce in place of a Maxi-Brute body: .jpg) Body Sketch 4-13 White is female vac-formed styrene. Yellow/Gold is cast resin As you can see the body is a simple two piece constrtuction with space for Franks R2 Strip and an empty space for the flightdeck. Please note the removable side and bottom panels for a mounting bracket. This is something you will not find on the Icons piece. Right now the body is to molded SMOOTH aloowing you to scribe in your own panel lines. I would love to be able to mold them with the panel lines in, but then they bodies would have to be resin and I cannot gurantee a quality piece... You can not see it in the picture (I forgot to add them ;), but the torpedo tubes will be cut out (by you) and backed with a resin cast insert. I am hoping to start on some of the Maxi-Brute conversions tomorrow night or this weekend. I have no estimated completion date at this time. As for price, I do not know for certain, but I would LOVE to be able to bring this in at UNDER $100 a kit. Any comments are welcome... Gary
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| SeoulWind
Jedi Knight (4/13/00 8:22:26 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Comment
Gary, The only comment I have is: I want one! Mark
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| Treadwell
Jedi Knight (4/14/00 8:59:14 am) Reply | Edit | Del  |
Re:
Comment
Looks great, Gary! I look forward to buying one.
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/14/00 12:51:08 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-Wing
body concept sketch...
Gary, Cool! Keep the board posted on your progress - I'm sure there are a lot of potentially interested folks, both participants here & lurkers, too. beaz |
| beaz Jedi Knight (4/14/00 1:20:53 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Let's
Identify Some More Parts
Folks, We've made some pretty good progress over the last few weeks identifying parts and I'd like to return to that if I might while I'm waiting for all of my tubing & sheet supplies to arrive & working up the nerve to cut up my pricey Maxi-Brute! First, the wings. On both the top of each wing and in one of the squarish receses under each wing we have the following greeblie:  Here's another image of the same part on the cast wing Frank has shared with us:  Looks to me like a spare track link from a German tank, but I have no idea if that's correct or not. Whatever it is, I certainly don't know which kit it might have come from. Any ideas? Next, we have the "lid" on the rear, on top of all the Sherman stuff we've already identified. Here's what I'm talking about:  I'm trying to figure out what the toilet-lid-like cover in the middle of this image might be made of. Looks like a hatch cover, again possibly from a tank, perhaps with some additional greeblies attached. How about it? beaz |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/14/00 1:23:26 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Let's
Identify Some More Parts
That Hatch.....I think its from a Japanese 1/9 ?? scale locomotive. Dont ask which.... Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (4/14/00 10:41:38 pm) Reply | Edit | Del  |
Re: Let's
Identify Some More Parts
Frank, 1/9? That would be one biga$$ train model, wouldn't it? What say you about the thingy on the wing? beaz |
Jedi
Reali  Jedi Knight (4/14/00 10:48:32 pm) Reply | Edit | Del  |
Re: Let's
Identify Some More Parts
Holy sh!t this thread is huge! sorry.
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/15/00 12:37:12 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Let's
Identify Some More Parts
Not sure of scale...of the train...but I was told its a train hatch, re: the WING thing....Gun breach? Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (4/19/00 10:39:25 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Let's
Identify Some More Parts
Frank, Thanks for the heads up on the wing greeblie. It wouldn't be too difficult to scratch, but since it pops up eight times on the model, it sure would be nice to have the original part to work with. I'm going to run the images I've got by some tread-heads I know to see what they think. beaz Edited by beaz at:
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| Simple Jedi Knight (4/16/00 1:12:15 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
The hatch bit from the train . . . I have to go to the local hobby shop on Monday anyway . . . the owner eats, breaths, and lives trains. I'll ask what 1/9 translates into as far as trian talk is concerned. If he can I.D. the part I'll let ya know. Cam
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| gw2tulsa Jedi Knight (4/18/00 12:38:02 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Couple
updates...
gang, I currently have the Maxi-Conversion underway starting with the nose. I have to do some putty and filler work on it tonight and MAY have an update posting it progress adn completion tomorrow or thursday. I think this is going to work out great. now if Frank would just respond to my e-mails I'd be set :) Also, I need to know just what everyone things of the paneling work on the Icons X-Wing. I have access to unlimited pictures from one and would like to make a graphic paneling guide to go along with my body kit. I know the Icons is about an inch too short, but if it was molded from a studio model, wouldn't the panels lines for the most part be correct? I would like to work with the group in finding the best possible course in creting this guide. Of course I won't start on the guide until I have the body units completed enought to start production... Happy Propping, Gary
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/18/00 1:04:54 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Couple
updates...
what emails? Frank Cerney |
| Simple Jedi Knight (4/19/00 9:02:13 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Ok, I got out to the hobby store and quized the owner on the train hatch. He said it could be: 1) the top hatch of a tanker car - hinge is at the bottom, vents ( circles ) at top 2) th interior of a steam train - the shape at the bottom might be the doors to load coal through, the circles could be gauges 3) a toilet seat with stuff added to it, I think he was kidding about this one ( ? ) I think #1 is a good bet, but I couldn't get a scale that would fit from the guy, and as far as what tanker car it may have come off of . . . .does anyone have a model train show near them soon ? Cam
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| gw2tulsa Jedi Knight (4/19/00 10:34:39 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Maxi-Redo
update: THE NOSE...
Hey Gang, As promised, here is the first update in my Maxi-Redo series. Tonight we are going to start with the nose. To start, I simply removed the existing noce from the Maxi-Brut body after I glued on the lower injected-molded piece. Once I had the nose removed I added some sheets of .030 Styrene on the major planes as you can see in the picture below: .jpg) Nose with Styrene applied You can see how the sheet covers up imperfections in the surface of the blow-molded nose. Once I had the styrene on how I wanted I applied a little bondo to the plane intersections: .jpg) Bondo applied along seams Once the bondo had set, I simply took some 220 grit sandpaper and rough sanded the edges to a nice chamfer shape. I then followed up that sanding with a nice 400 grit paper to get me to this: .jpg) Bondo shaped and sanded Looks good but my work is not over just yet. I still have to do the following: -Minor putty work -filling in the back areas -detailing top inbent area -adding vertical groove to nose Also, I'll need to fill this piece to match with the body revisions. That way when I cast them in resin they will actually fit :) I plan to use these same techniques on the main body. I'm hoping to get on that next week. I plan to spend most of saturday helping Richie prototype a new visor for his X-Wing helmet kit, so it will let me take a little break... Happy propping, Gary
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/19/00 11:01:45 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Maxi-Redo
update: THE NOSE...
Whoa! Too cool! And here I was just going to sand my Maxi nose a little bit... It looks really clean, Gary, really nice. Are you at all worried that adding the extra styrene & bondo girth might make the X a little chubby? I only ask because when I drop the top half of my Maxi (which I cut away this evening) on top of my full-scale image, it fits like a glove. You're talking about adding 30 thou around the whole fuselage. I suppose that's a pretty thin wrap, but it adds up in cross-section. Don't get me wrong, though, it really does look nice!
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| gw2tulsa Jedi Knight (4/20/00 7:00:11 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Maxi-Redo
update: THE NOSE...
Beaz, Thats an issue I'm concerned with at the moment. I was really worried when I first applied the styrene to the nose. However, after the bondo work and sanding I can't really tell its that much bigger. Also, bear in mind that ALL of the body is getting a skin. So essentially the ship will just be expanding out a little bit, but it will be consistent all around (it won't suffer from North Coast syndrome). Just be glad I'm gonna female vac-form these. If I went with a male-form, they would be even bigger (it would be better to use the Maxi in that case...). -Gary
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/20/00 8:07:49 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Maxi-Redo
update: THE NOSE...
Gary, I understand what you're saying. I have to remember that you're making a master for molding. You'll probably get a smidge of shrinkage of the nose anyway because you're casting that in resin. Keep the pictures coming!
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| pcmodeler
Jedi Knight (4/20/00 8:29:19 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Added
girth
I had wondered the same thing. I will probably do something similar but I may just measure the noce and scratch build it to the same size. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com/
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| gw2tulsa Jedi Knight (4/20/00 8:49:35 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Added
girth
Scratch building is one way to go. The maxi nose has some real problems with detailing. The inset on the nose is wrong, as is the rear side profile. Also, the groove aroud the nose on teh rear is too far back. That groove is part of the reason I went with a .030 styrene skin. Its enough depth to accept the grove without a problem. Also, .020 is just too thin to do good detailing... Of course with all the scratchbuilding I'm gonna have to do anyway, this body project seems like a great alternative. Besides, if I want to build a second X-Wing, I definitely do not want to find another maxi-brute :) As for shrinkage, both the resin casts and the styrene vac-pulss will shrink. I don't think it will be enough to matter though. I should have the nose finished tonight and mabye plan ahead for the body work. Right now I'm waiting to recieve my R2 Strip and add ons so I can make absolutely sure they fit to a T with the new body form... -Gary
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| kaiburr Rogue Jedi (4/20/00 3:10:43 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
nose
job
Nice work, Gary! I have done the same thing with mine and have the same concerns regarding girth. Bondo can also be used to flatten out the plane inconsistency. it's just a matter of spreading it with a spatula and sanding with a block or another flat tool. this is helpful in sorting out shapes without having to neccessarily increase size. &n bsp; The problem with this though is that scribing on Bondo is a biatch! So maybe we're doing the right thing after all... Nathan nkhyber@aol.com
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| Xecuter666 Jedi Knight (4/20/00 3:11:41 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
um...
hehe
i know this is the last thing that this thread needs but oh well, i am in a fun mood.... BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/22/00 3:45:17 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: nose
job
Hey, Nathan, Don't you still have to scribe through the Bondo at the corners, though (for example, the groove that goes around the nose)? I must admit that in all my modeling years I've never used Bondo. I've used practically every other putty, though, and am partial to Milliput (fine/white), which is workable with water and dries rock-solid. Scribing through Milliput has never been a problem in my experience.
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| kaiburr Rogue Jedi (4/20/00 10:12:00 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Scribing
Bondo
Gary problem with scribing on Bondo arises because of the density of it's material. Bondo is much harder and denser than styrene (which is concidered a closed cell foam) and the disparity of these surfaces comes into play when you are attempting to scribe a single line through both materials. For instance, rather than "spiralling" away like styrene so graciously does, Bondo likes to chip and chunk out of your desired trench. My experience in alleviating this phenomena is to slowly and evenly start your Bondo panels with a sewing needle. Once you seriously have a bonified start, then you can employ dental tools or whatever. Though I would suggest doing your panel lines on your resin clone and than making the third generation be your master. That way, shrinkage would also help restore your nose to the proper size. Sorry about the length of this post. I hope that helps. nathan
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| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (4/22/00 4:31:47 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-Wing
builing
Sorry guys I dont get it....Estes copied (molded) the original (ILM) x-wing. The size of this thing is SO close to the original.Why play around and add .030 to the nose etc ? .030 is alot.If you add the original parts to the MAXI they fit. Where does this "NEW" dimention for the x-wing come from? Frank do you agree? I sure dont, and have been working on this for weeks.I have almost all the original parts + Franks kit.Like I said...they fit. Jamie
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/22/00 9:44:30 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-Wing
builing
My thoughts......... The ONLY correct Xwing. The only one that matters,....is the one each of you are building.... You can go...true to the studio Prop...which...had something to be desired... ......or you can modify it however you wish. Depends on what you like. None of us know....how many modifications they had in XWINGa. For all we know..the one ESTES was giving...had the very ugly nose that some of us are modifying...or some of us arent. All we have are a few pics in a book....of ONE prop. So...who really knows whats correct. Jaimie...you asked a very good question...I dont feel a have a really good answer. Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (4/22/00 11:15:37 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-Wing
builing
Guys, I agree with Frank. There's no way to be 100% "accurate" in building this model, as the models themselves weren't exactly the same. As Frank says, all we have to go by are a few pictures of a few models. We also have the Icons X, which has its own dimensional problems. Since we're talking about the nose, I'd like to point out that the noses on these things don't look the same to me from model to model. Gary mentions a problem with the Maxi nose rear-side profile. I agree with Gary that the Maxi profile doesn't exactly match the pictures of the nose that we all have access to. The problem is, there seems to be some variation in that profile! Look at the pictures. Look at the Icons nose. Some of the noses have a steep profile drop off, some have a shallow profile drop off! There is no "right" nose. Frank has pointed out that different versions of the Saturn booster sections were used on the original models. Looking at the pictures I have, I've also noticed that different versions of the engine bells were used in the intakes. Which booster sections are the correct booster sections? Which intakes are the correct intakes? Well, obviously they all are! I'd like to say that all the differences are due to the different construction methods used for the hero models and the stunt models, but I'm not convinced that's an entirely accurate assumption either. I do know this. We have access to a recent build up of a studio-scale X-Wing by someone professing to be a professional ILM modelmaker. He even used the Maxi-Brute as a base. If the Bill George who built this model is in fact the same Bill George pictured on page 271 of the Star Wars Chronicles (and in pics in several other books), as I believe he is, then what we have here is important data, straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. If this is in fact the same Bill George whose B-Wing model I oggled at the Smithsonian Institution last year, then he would have total access to the Lucasfilm archives in addition to whatever documentation exists on the original buildup of the X-Wings, as well as some of the guys who built them (if I remember correctly, Bill George didn't start working for ILM until after Empire). Look at this picture. He didn't modify the Maxi nose at all, except maybe by adding two bits of rectangular styrene to the top recess. That nose is straight out of the box otherwise! Want to modify the nose? Don't feel guilty, modify it! Don't want to modify the nose? Don't feel guilty, leave it alone! Either way, I dare - no, I quadruple dare - anyone to say that your nose is "inaccurate." How the f%ck could anyone possibly say that with a straight face? In my modeling experience, worrying about accuracy is important, even fun. But, worrying about accuracy too much leads directly to analysis paralysis. At some point you have to be able to admit that what you're building is only a model - it will never, can never, be totally 100% accurate. Just do it. And post lots of pictures! beaz
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| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (4/23/00 10:44:31 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-Wing
builing
Very good points Frank,Beaz. I will go with my first impulse and continue to build the maxi with minor modifications. The nose just needs a little work such as adding the styrene to the step and some sanding/filling on the joint on the underside. I will add Frank's R2 strip,add the original parts to the rear,sherman,saturnV bell halves etc. Then modify the MAXI wing sections,add the engines,build the wings,guns etc. I will use 95% original model parts for the MAXI model. So far I have the inside styrened ready to scribe Now for the 2nd x-wing I will build, I will use the cast x-wing I got from KITBASHER.This cast is iteresting in that it is the same size as the maxi,yet it has alot more detail.Details along the nose,c0ckpit,and the rear that are not on the maxi.This model will be 90% resin most of the details will be from Franks kit. One heavy mother!! I dread cutting the c0ckpit off and hollowing it out. Another good point was made here.Bill George had amazing insite into the ILM dream shop. He worked there. He built the models.If he felt the maxi was correct for the X, then that is all I nead to hear. Build on guys.Jamie
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| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (4/23/00 10:56:17 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: x-wing
parts....
I dont know if this was mentioned before but on the rear of the x-wing "sherman hull". Above the "hull" and behind the bottom half of the sherman turret. There are 2 knob like bells. See them? They are the top halves of the large saturn engine bells. Also, bellow the sherman hull the middle thing with the 4 "points" and the hole in it,inbetween the "pipe like" deals is part No.13 from the 8rad panzer spahwagen sdkfz232. Its part of the suspension. Jamie
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Flint Rogue Jedi (4/23/00 4:59:30 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: x-wing
parts....
Ahh yes, it is from the 8 Rad.I've been so busy looking at everything from a Y-wing point of view that i didn't even notice that. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
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Jedi Knight (4/23/00 6:14:36 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: x-wing
parts....
Flint,that was how I noticed it.I was going over the 8rad for y-wing parts and saw the part... I had the 1.1 scale "poster" of the x-wing right in front of me.I was like "cool, better tell the guys".Jamie
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/23/00 7:19:03 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: x-wing
parts....
Jamie, Excellent! Man, I really love it when we chalk up another part! As fate would have it, I scored an 8 Rad last week, should get it tomorrow or Tuesday. I saw it on Scott's list as having been used on the X and thought I'd snag a copy to see if I could find anything there. You beat me to it, Jamie! I'm glad the poster was helpful. See any other parts from the 8 Rad that might've been used?
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Agustin Jedi Knight (4/23/00 7:19:34 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Last one to
finish is a rotten egg
This is a really interesting thread for me because now I want to accurize my old MPC X-wings. I'm going to have to use my imagination by bashing other kits that have the parts that come close. There is no way I am going to spend that much money on a Maxi Brute and the other kits for detailing. I think that it would be boring if everyone had exactly the SAME kit detailed the SAME way. Everyone X-wings should be unique. Now when is someone going to post a FINISHED 1/24 X-WING with a KICK ASS paintjob.
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (4/23/00 8:56:28 pm) Reply | Edit | Del  |
Re: Last one
to finish is a rotten egg
Y'know... he's right, and it just goes back on what you guys said before... ILMers had a design for an X-Wing (Y-Wing, and so on...), and they customized them and made each one different. IF you look close, you will even see some with different detail. This is just my opinion, but when I go to do mine, I am going to customize the hell out of it. I might even paint it with blue markings! An X-Wing is an X-Wing, and what makes it YOUR X-Wing is what is really special. In theory, all the X-Wings were different... Why try so hard to make yours exactly like one that's already out there? Just as long as it's another ship in the fleet... Of course, this is just my opinion, and the choice is up to the modeler. I think that an X-Wing can be accurate, as well as variant. ie: the engines are still Phantom engines, the Messerschmit (Which is in the movie U-571) parts are still there... but maybe its an R-4 and not an R-2... maybe it has extra subtle detail (like the TINY line of round 'holes' on the side of some of the models) here and there... That's where the expressiveness comes in. -Sorry for this being so long, but how many times is someone going to make "Red-5" before someone gets tired of it? "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
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Jedi Knight (4/24/00 8:17:03 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-WING
BUILDING
Ron its your x-w ing.You do it any way you see fit.Thats cool.For me though its having an 100% acurate ILM studio scale replica of the x-wing.Thats why I will hunt down every kit used.I want my models to look just like the real deal.Same thing for the Y-wing, although much more difficult. Finding parts:There are so many parts on the x-wing ,however it is simple compared to the y-wing.I usually study pics for a long time,focus on 1 part, then I start pouring through the kits. Most of the time I'll be looking at a pic or the parts and somthing will look familiar. Then it is a matter of figureing out what it is. Jamie
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (4/24/00 10:48:57 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-WING
BUILDING
......try making a 32 inch Falcon..... Frank Cerney |
| Flintlock Jedi Knight (4/24/00 1:14:08 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-WING
BUILDING
Well, of course that is the exception... since that is a one of a kind ship
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (4/24/00 4:20:00 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-WING
BUILDING
Oops... there was another post... Yes, of course Jamie... By no means at all was I saying anyone should do it how I see fit, please dont! I perfectly understand that you want a replica that is as close as possible to the real thing. Hey, I used to want an EXACT REPLICA of both until I started thinking... no matter how hard I try to make mine exact, it's not going to be because I built it... not Lorne Peterson, or Steve Gawley, it will not be the same model. I was just expressing my ideas on the subject. I will still be very interested on the progress of everyone's project... Whether it be Luke's X-Wing or another one in the group... The variations between them are one thing that got me going in the first place... BTW, I am going to hunt down all the parts to the Y-Wing as well... I WILL get all the parts right or I won't build it until I do... the variations on mine will be smaller, so it is just a customization, not a compensation for lack of the right parts. ...Looks to me like the line running along the back edge of the X-Wing's wings is part number B5 from the sdkfz232. If so, you need four of them (there's only one in the kit), if I'm wrong then it's obviously something else
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| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (4/24/00 5:38:18 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-WING
BUILDING
Ron, dude I totally understand you were just expressing your ideas on the x-wing. Like I said that is cool.Its all good. Frank, do you have any hair left with building that falcon? LOL Ron the sdkfz.232 is the 8rad spahwagen.You said the back edge of the x-wings wings were B4?? Are you sure this is the kit? Jamie
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (4/24/00 6:40:09 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-WING
BUILDING
Yep, the 8Rad Panzerspahwagen... I got it today. The part only LOOKS like it might be the right one... long straight cable thing... However, it may be something else totally. "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| beaz Jedi Knight (4/24/00 9:25:13 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Sdkfz232
(8Rad)
Guys, Got my 8Rad today and am fairly certain I've found another part. Flintlock, you're close, but no cigar, methinks. See the cylindrical doodad in the rear wing edge recess? Kinda looks like a shock absorber? See part C-9 of the 8Rad. Matches up perfectly on my 1:1 poster. That part again...C-9. Do I hear a BINGO? I believe the remainder from the end of that part to the wingtip is nothing more than styrene rod heated and stretched to get the taper.
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (4/24/00 10:32:30 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Sdkfz232
(8Rad)
Yes beaz, you may be right... In fact, I think you are. The tube, however, could be anything. What they used for that would be harder to figure out than any kit part... Can't wait till I make some money so I can get Frank's X parts! "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| beaz Jedi Knight (4/26/00 8:29:18 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Sdkfz232
(8Rad)
Flintlock, The only reason I said I believe that bit is stretched rod is because I believe that bit is stretched rod. And here's why: 1) Stretching sprue/rod/strip is page 2, modelmaking 101 stuff. The ILM modelers were modelers since childhood. Those of us who are older than thirty remember the days before Nintendo when, if you were a boy, one of the things you did was build models. Some of us became very serious about that hobby, building lots and lots of models. The best and most serious modelers could strive to do it for a living - albeit a meager one - in LA. I promise you, the men who built the ILM models had been stretching sprue over candles over their parents objections for years by the time they got around to building the X-Wing. 2) That bit looks just like a piece of stretched sprue or (more likely) rod, of which I have seen and stretched more than my fair share myself over the last thirty-odd years as a serious modeler and contest judge. It is smooth from end to end and tapered - a very simple shape that is easy to replicate very quickly and cheaply with some rod and a little bit of heat. 3) I suppose it's possible that the ILM modelmakers searched high and low for some found object or model part that looked exactly like a five inch length of stretched rod, molded it in RTV, and then cast it in a two part polyester resin. I think it's much more likely, however, that these guys simply dropped in the slightly modified bit from the 8Rad and some stretched rod. I plan on fabricating this part of the model quickly, easily, and cheaply myself. When I'm done, it will look exactly like the real thing. If it looks exactly like the real thing, then what's the difference? If anyone would like I could mold one of my rods, cast it and sell it as an add-on kit for this project. Say $30 for four rods?
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| Simple Jedi Knight (4/26/00 9:54:21 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Hey guys ! I finally got a night to myself ( a customer cancelled on me ) and I managed to mold and cast this:  Sorry about the lousy quality, but it's a cheap Logitech Quickcam. I'll mount the insert into the Saturn body, and post a pic this weekend. Cam
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/28/00 8:01:55 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Hey, Cam, That's really slick! Post some more pics when you get 'em. All, Speaking of pics, anybody seen one of these before?  For those who haven't yet bought Frank's castings or those who did but would like to have a few more, I found a stash right here. They're described in the catalog as "Press-On for TO-5", stock #619-0040. Hope this helps, beaz Edited by beaz at:
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| gw2tulsa Jedi Knight (4/28/00 10:57:40 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Couple
updates...
Gang, Sorry I've been busy, but I wanted to drop a note as to where everything is right now... I just recieved the temp parts from Frank yesterday. These things are awesome. I can totally see how Frank can have problems getting them to cast up correctly. The r2 strip I have even has a chunk of the RTV mold still in it :( I've started on teh main body now and will hopefully make some good progress on it over the next couple of days. I may have to lay off for a while to do some freelance work that came in, but I will get this thing finished... Cam: That engine intake looks awesome!! You planning on offering those up? :) -Gary
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Jedi Knight (4/28/00 11:51:25 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Couple
updates...
Good job Cam!!! Lookin good man.Jamie
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| Simple Jedi Knight (4/28/00 12:37:31 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
beaz - cool find. It's a transistor heat sink right ? Is it the same size as Frank's casting ? I may take a look this weekend at the electronis surplus store. As for the inserts - if you guys want 'em I'll cast 'em. They take a bit of work to get bubble free ( ish ), so I can only cast two a night. Would $30 be a good price for a set of four ? I got one mounted in the Saturn body last night - looks really cool. Now I need to add the panels to the top. Speaking of engines, I have a dumb question. Which end of the Phantom engine faces the forward engine assembly ? I can't figure it out from the pictures I've got. Cam
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/30/00 5:46:02 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Cam, The heat sink is a fairly standard one, I believe, and it is spot on when placed on top of the ones Frank cast. There is a subtle difference in the inner collar ring "gap" in that Frank's appear to be flush with the vanes that extend from either side of the gap, while the ones I found have a slightly narrower gap, owing to a partial continuation of the collar itself beyond the plane of the vanes. Did that make any sense al all? As for the Phantom parts, do you mean those that make up the rear engines, or the wing inserts? If you're talking about the rear engines, I've doctored a pic I took of Frank's parts to show how I believe he intended them to be used (tell me if I'm wrong here, Frank):  In a nutshell, cut at the red lines, join the two parts, glue the "cone" on top, the "nozzle" on the bottom (after removing the top ring of the nozzle). There are some additional greeblies that need to be applied to the whole assembly. I'm busy combing through 1/72 scale aircraft kits in an attempt to find the right landing gear bit that goes here. beaz Edited by beaz at:
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| kaiburr Rogue Jedi (4/28/00 1:35:42 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
engine
intakes
God i feel guilty! I'm out in the woods for the next couple of weeks working on music (my real job). can't make room for the spaceships at this juncture, but you guys are all making some incredible progress. And Cam, count me in on those intakes! Nathan
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| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (4/28/00 6:20:01 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: engine
intakes
Count me in also Cam. They will be perfect for for my ALL RESIN x-wing.Thanks, Jamie
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| beaz Jedi Knight (4/29/00 4:31:11 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Chop, chop, chop. Sand, sand, sand. Glue, glue, glue. Sand, sand, sand. Pass the band-aids, boys, there's no way this thread should ever hit Page 5! beaz |
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werke Jedi Knight (5/1/00 8:54:01 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
The dreaded
8-rad - a correction
Hallo all, hiya, pleased to find the site, you're all doing great work, etc etc. I've had my scratchbuild on the go for about five years now, collecting parts fitfully between other projects. This site has fired up my enthusiasm again! Noticed though that you're going off on the occasional wrong tangent, eg the Tamiya Sdkfz 232 8-rad. Hate to tell you this but that's the wrong kit! It should be the Monogram 1/32 kit, which sadly is even rarer. For you guys it won't make that big a difference, I imagine most of you won't care too much as the Tamiya part will only be about 2 mm smaller (the detail is slightly different too - if you think I'm trolling, compare the part to the AoSW rear pic - CLOSELY - and you'll see it's true. Sorry!) but the poor Y-wing dudes are stuffed, since they need the whole chassis. Falcon modellers should take note also as the Falcon has the turret underside. All these bigger parts are much more different in size. It's probably hopeless, but if anyone HAS a Monogram 232 please please sell it to me and I'll mould the parts for you! I'm doing a Y also, so I need one badly... Cheers all, Martyn Griffiths
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werke Jedi Knight (5/1/00 9:06:10 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Hasbro Power
FX vs. ILM models...
I finally weakened and bought a Hasbro (1/3rd off but still $100 australian! Ouch...) to check it out. First off, what a great toy! Wow, it's gorgeous and a heap of fun, if I was still a kid I'd be totally stoked. My first impression was that the Saturn parts were underscale, when I checked it out they SO are! And so's the whole of the rest of the ship! So much for it being touted as an ILM-scale toy. It is between 77% and 84% of the full ILM size, depending on which dimension you compare. Call it three quarters for convenience. Big enough to look like the real deal at first sight, but not really quite there. It's about 1/28.57 scale. Secondly, the toy's proportions are pretty nice, I reckon. It has several features not present on other representations like the horrible MPC kit. It has the 'strake' on the fuselage above the upper wing's Saturn shell, which probably indicates that it is copied from the stunt models which had the wings permanently opened - they were attached to 'plates' on the fuselage sides which were part of the *wing* on the hero models, yeh? However it also has the 'spine' or 'keel' that runs along the underside of the whole forward fuselage, wherease the MPC is flat down there. It's pretty soft of coure and should be sharper but better than total flatness. Also, the upper forward fuselage sides are flat as they should be, instead of curved. It does lack at the very front though, where the edges should be smoothed off into a 'hoop' or 'horseshoe' cross-section. Proportion-wise, it all looks about right. I haven't done a huge amount of scaling really, but everything looks decent. What are the objections, precisely? I don't think the nose is over-long by very much, if at all, for example. Of course, the engines and guns are toyish and the whole deal would take a fair bit of work to turn into a model (and it's too nice to cut up) so I'm just going to put it on my shelf to remind me of what I'm working towards. A real studio scale model will be that much more impressive again.
Cheers Martyn Griffiths
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| beaz Jedi Knight (5/1/00 10:48:38 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: The
dreaded 8-rad - a correction
Martyn, If in fact you are correct about the 1/32 Monogram kit being used for the X and the Y instead of the 1/35 Tamiya kit we are all in luck. The Monogram kit was re-issued in 1995 and is currently available at at least one online hobby store. I found it at http://www.hobbyweb.com/. Is this the kit you're talking about:  beaz |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (5/1/00 10:58:37 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hasbro
Power FX vs. ILM models...
The "Studios scale " Xwing...was an ICONS Copy. Being that the ICONS is off 15 % doesnt suprise me so is the toy. Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (5/1/00 11:09:09 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hasbro
Power FX vs. ILM models...
500 messages! And going strong... beaz |
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werke Jedi Knight (5/1/00 11:12:57 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: The
dreaded 8-rad - a correction
Dude! You legend! Yeah, that's the one. Hey, I missed this rerelease totally. Normally I'm up on what's out! Damn. I even did a search yesterday (quite a long one!) and came up with zip. Weird. I've ordered one. Thanks heaps!! Cannot believe it...really thought this thing was unobtainable! Cheers! You've made my night. Martyn
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werke Jedi Knight (5/1/00 11:19:31 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hasbro
Power FX vs. ILM models...
No, Frank, I wasn't meaning the Icons beastie. I'm well aware of it's faults! (There is a pic in, oh, Chronicles, or the ILM book or somewhere showing what I think might have been the X they were given - totally mangled and destroyed! Ha!) I did mean the Hasbro. There were various interviews in the toy-collecting press at the time it came out. I recall the guy who was in charge of it saying it was meant to make up for the cruddy distorted one Kenner released in 1977, and that it was gonna be studio-scale, and kick-arse, and so on. It does kick arse, but it isn't 1/24. Hey ho. (Course, my memory isn't what it used to be, what with the fumes and whatnot.
)Cheers! Martyn
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (5/1/00 12:03:20 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hasbro
Power FX vs. ILM models...
I did mean the Hasbro. There were various interviews in the toy-collecting press at the time it came out. I recall the guy who was in charge of it saying it was meant to make up for the cruddy distorted one Kenner released in 1977, and that it was gonna be studio-scale, and kick-arse, and so on. It does kick arse, but it isn't 1/24. Hey ho. (Course, my memory isn't what it used to be, what with the fumes and whatnot. ) Martyn, I know what you meant. What I meant was....HASBRO ...used the ICONS as reference. Thats why they are teh same size..and why the modifications that ICONS made to the XWING show up on the toy. Stuff never used on any of the real props. Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (5/1/00 10:31:01 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Stand
Thingy
All, I'm working on an aluminum pipe-based armature and am interested in finding one of these:  What is that stand thingy that the bottom pipe is mounted on called & where can I buy one? beaz |
| Macklin Jedi Knight (5/1/00 11:49:38 pm) Reply | Edit | Del  |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Beaz: That looks like a cluster of old-style grip head attachments and extension arms used for lighting in film. I'm not sure where you could buy them; they're usually rented out. I'll research and let you know if I find anything.
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werke Jedi Knight (5/1/00 11:55:54 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Hasbro and
model stand
Frank, Whoops! Sorry! I misunderstood. Wow, if that is really true, it is incredible just how underscale that Icons model must be. The Hasbro is quite a bit more than 1" too short I think. And the wings and engines are *unbelievably* shrunken! Scary. Artoo is grossly oversized on this toy, and I guess we know why now. (God, I am so glad I haven't yet started on chopping out the 6 cm or so of 'extra' length on my scratchbuilt fuselage!!! Thanks!!!!) Beaz, That looks like any old set of adjustable camera-type clamps to me, or actually, even more like laboratory-style clamps for pipettes, beakers etc. You know, the Frankenstein-style arrangements of tubes with bubbling green liquids. I dare say you could find stuff like that from lab suppliers cheaper than camera gear. Cheers! Martyn
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Flint Rogue Jedi (5/2/00 8:21:13 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hasbro
and model stand
Beaz that is a 'C' stand. Mainly used for lighting applications in T.V. and movie productions. You can get them, they will probably cost you around $200. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| beaz Jedi Knight (5/2/00 9:26:21 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hasbro
and model stand
Thanks, guys. $200, huh? Maybe I'll just mount a pipe in a wood base! beaz |
| Flintlock Jedi Knight (5/2/00 11:39:40 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hasbro
and model stand
I just remembered... the TIE Bomber builders know all the kits they need. Aren't there just a few that are unidentified for the X? here is a pic, does anyone know where these parts come from? I know the thing on the butt was maybe a train hatch? "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (5/2/00 11:59:09 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hasbro
and model stand
Flint....great pics..have more like that??? Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (5/2/00 12:25:38 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hasbro
and model stand
Flintlock, If you go back a ways through the thread, we've identified just a few of those parts. The clustered bit on the rear just under the rear engine mounts contains one wheel mount and one headlight from the Hasegawa Sherman. I'm not sure if the piece the wheel mount is glued to (the bracket thingy with the four vanes)is scrathbuilt or comes from a kit. I believe that one of the parts on the top forward section of the rear engine section is part of the landing gear from a 1/72 scale WWII bomber kit. I'm presently going through kits looking for this bit myself. There are aditional greeblies toward the rear of the rear engine section, including what looks to me like some 1/35 scale tanker headphones. Also, Frank has already mentioned that he believes the rear hatch is from a large scale japanese train model. He also thinks the bit on top of each wing, and in the same spot in the recess under each wing could be part of a gun breech. Where did you get those pictures? Post more!!! beaz |
| Flintlock Jedi Knight (5/2/00 1:17:53 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hasbro
and model stand
Those pics? I shamelessly stole them from someone's site...oops. I just had it saved with all my other pics and grabbed one that showed the parts best. If you look at the X-Wing in construction above, there is a gray piece on the wing, which is one of the ones I pointed out. It looks like it comes from a kit... The rest of them, I guess I forgot they were posted
Frank, I may be ready to buy some X-Wing parts from you! Just give me a minute to see what I need here... "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
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More parts
stuff
Beaz, all, >>If you go back a ways through the thread, we've identified just a few of those parts. The clustered bit on the rear just under the rear engine mounts contains one wheel mount and one headlight from the Hasegawa Sherman. I'm not sure if the piece the wheel mount is glued to (the bracket thingy with the four vanes)is scrathbuilt or comes from a kit. I did ID that part once! A coupla years ago. I can't rememember what it was! A bit useless, aren't I? Sorry - but it will come back to me. >>I believe that one of the parts on the top forward section of the rear engine section is part of the landing gear from a 1/72 scale WWII bomber kit. Very definitely. On mine, I couldn't find it so I made it from thin styrene rod. It's not that big a deal- I only had to make two of them as I moulded the engines anyway. Mind you, I'd like to redo it with the real part. >>I'm presently going through kits looking for this bit myself. There are aditional greeblies toward the rear of the rear engine section, including what looks to me like some 1/35 scale tanker headphones. They really do, don't they? Unfortunately if they're headphones they're far too small to be 1/35 - the part is only three or four millimetres across....but it's a good guess, perhaps they're 1/72 headphones instead? >>Also, Frank has already mentioned that he believes the rear hatch is from a large scale japanese train model. I thought I had already posted what this is. My memory is really getting bad in my old age, I might not have. I don't know what the middle of the part is, but I do know what the 'flange' around it is. It's pretty easy to identify, I'm a bit surprised nobody has yet! I know it's been a big topic. Or do you all know about the flange already ? Shall I tell you?
>>He also thinks the bit on top of each wing, and in the same spot in the recess under each wing could be part of a gun breech. That's interesting. I thought it was an exhaust manifold or something. I wonder which gun? Cheers, Martyn Griffiths
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| beaz Jedi Knight (5/5/00 8:58:17 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: More
parts stuff
Martyn, If you mean the Sherman hull section and turret base "flange", as seen here: we have identified those parts. We're still looking for the potty-like hatch in the middle. That hatch is the one Frank believes comes off of a japanese train model. Frank has sources who whisper this stuff to him in dark alleys... I suppose we need a central index of identified parts. I realize that it must be cumbersome to read through all the posts in this thread. Let us know if you can remember what some of these other parts are! Still searchin', beaz Edited by beaz at: 5/5/00
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werke Jedi Knight (5/4/00 12:05:42 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Flange
etc
Beaz, all, >>If you mean the Sherman hull section and turret base "flange", as seen here: Yeah, that's the bit. Whew! You guys were worrying me there!
It's pretty obvious isn't it. >>We're still looking for the potty-like hatch in the middle. That hatch is the one Frank believes comes off of a japanese train model. Frank has sources who whisper this stuff to him in dark alleys... Heh heh....it is a strange piece isn't it? I'm certain it's from a fairly old kit - the detail is sort of 'soft'. Unfortunately I know two thirds of stuff-all about loco kits... >>I suppose we need a central index of identified parts. We sort of have that with Flintlock and Scott's pages, don't we? >>I realize that it must be cumbersome to read through all the posts in this thread. It is. But I did it - it would be rather rude to fail to do that, IMHO. Like the saying goes - RTBF. (Took me a coupla days tho!) The reason I asked about the flange was that nobody mentioned it specifically in the older posts (as far as I could see at least). It looked as if you were all talking about the whole hatch piece. >>Let us know if you can remember what some of these other parts are! Had another look last night, and I think I may have been thinking of the FRONT wing-root pieces. Sorry! I'm still working on it. Question: what are the 'grill' bits at the back of the R2 strip? There are some references here to elevators, but I couldn't find any further detail. Sorry if I've missed it. Cheers, MG
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (5/4/00 12:17:06 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Flange
etc
Essex class carrier /Ticonderoga 1:700 elevator Hasagawa Frank Cerney |
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millennium group Jedi Knight (5/4/00 12:24:54 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Flange
etc
That part looks like the front of the D-51 locomotive. If so, here is the data on it: 1/50 Arii: D-51. Japaneese locomotive. ( Otaki D51-101 , original release info ) or it could be the D-64. I have the D-51 coming in the mail and it cost $100.00 Mark
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| Tony
Agustin Jedi Knight (5/4/00 7:15:04 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Flange
etc
never mind. I'll just bump this thread for the heck of it.
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Agustin |
| beaz Jedi Knight (5/7/00 9:18:29 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Poster &
A Question
Work progresses...slowly... In the meantime, here's a pic of a portion of my 1:1 scale top-view poster with some of Frank's parts dropped in place:  Question For those of you who really want your models to be "true" to the originals, are you designing all of your guns to be horribly, horribly crooked, just like the real ones?
I wonder how many times those things popped off during filming and had to
be glued back on?
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (5/8/00 10:22:16 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Poster
& A Question
If anyone else needs a set of parts. Im finishing up an order I just got..and then putting molds away....or even considering selling them to someone who has asked for them. Let me know....soon. Frank cerney1@aol.com Frank Cerney |
| gw2tulsa Jedi Knight (5/8/00 10:46:45 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Poster
& A Question
Frank, I will still need to get AT LEAST one set from you, but I'm in a horrible waiting pattern right now... Also, I don't really like the idea of selling your molds... I can't put my finger on just WHY I don't like it, but it just seems wierd. Will the person who gets them be as responsible and REASONABLE in their charging as you are. Or will they use all of this threads work, contribution, and applied knowledge just to make kits to sell for some insane markup... I will SERIOUSLY rethink my plan of making bodies for these parts if they leave your hands... IF you are thinking of selling the molds, then please let me know. I can easily see a bidding war involved over these :( If only for the fact that they should stay with a responsible individual, be that you or someone else... -Gary Weaver II
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| pcmodeler
Jedi Knight (5/9/00 8:05:47 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Franks
molds
Say Frank, this person wouldn't happen to be capncboard? The reason I ask is he's been posting on several newsgroups about consumer interest. It would seem to me that he's probably been following this thread. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com/
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (5/9/00 4:53:55 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Franks
molds
Hey Frank, are you still planning on selling those 1/24 Naboos? Or is there not enough interest? "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (5/9/00 5:47:18 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Franks
molds
I dont know...anyone interested?? Frank Cerney |
| JPC Rogue Jedi (5/9/00 6:12:12 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Frank, I'd like to get a set if I still can. I thought you had quit making them. John
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (5/11/00 1:12:56 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
A few people promised me $$ for kits..so I left the molds out. Now those orders have come in. Im just offering.."last call" so to speak. Frank Cerney Edited by Cerney1 at:
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| beaz Jedi Knight (5/12/00 9:22:27 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Some
Observations
Ok, guys. There seems to be some controversy here. Let's examine the points of contention and let's look at the data. And, please, let's do it without getting snippy. As Patsy pointed out in Monty Python and the Holy Grail: "It's only a model." Ok, on to the arguments, as I understand them. The Arguments: 1) The Maxi-Brute rear is not quite the right shape/size 2) The Monogram 8Rad kit is not old enough to be on the X-Wing 3) The Tamiya 8Rad was used on the Y-Wing, but not the X-Wing. The Monogram 8Rad, or some other kit, was used on the X-Wing My Opinions (and just my opinions FWIW): 1) True. While the Maxi fuselage is very, very close to the studio models of which we have pictures, the butt of the Maxi does not exactly match up with that of the real thing. Don't believe me? Here's visual proof:  You can see that I've taken images of the butt of both models and made them the same scale, overlaying the Maxi butt on the AOSW butt. If you have a fast connection, or a few minutes for downloading a 483K file, click here for a full size version of this animation. As you can see, the Maxi butt has a different contour and is not deep enough. The Sherman detail is almost spot on though - look at how the hatches and the holes at the bottom of the tank hull match up. 2) I believe this is false. The Monogram 1/32 armor series originated in the early seventies, if I'm not mistaken. The 8Rad was one of the models in this series. It was re-released in 1995, but I believe that it was also on store shelves in 1976. Someone who has a Monogram catalog from '76 can verify this, as I do not have one myself. Does this mean the Monogram 8Rad was used? Absolutely not. I've yet to see any convincing evidence that any part of the Monogram 8Rad was used on any Star Wars model. Quite the contrary - Boba Flint, in the Y-Wing thread, pointed out that he had recently acquired the Monogram kit and that he is quite sure that it contributed no parts to either the Y-Wing or the X-Wing. 3) I believe that the Tamiya 8Rad was most certainly used on the X-Wing. Why? Take a look:  Part number C-9 is a perfect match for the greeblie mounted inside the trailing edge of each wing. By my measurements, it is exactly the same size, and the bands on the piece are in exactly the same positions. I believe this is evidence that the Tamiya 8Rad was in fact used on the X-Wing. What about the suspension part? Well, I think that's a tougher nut to crack. It may well be that the AOSW greeblie is a wee bit larger than the Tamiya 8Rad suspension part we've been talking about - though it's only by two millimeters by my measure, not three. Take a look:  The angle on my pic of the Tamiya part is not quite head-on, but this is still a good example of what I'm talking about. Also, I photographed part number A13, not A14. They are slightly different, but exactly the same size. This may or may not be the Tamiya 8Rad part. Remember, what we're looking at in the AOSW are not the actual parts under a few coats of paint, but a relatively grainy photograph of parts that have been modified, molded and cast - and perhaps recast several times after that. The detail in the AOSW pic is softer than that of the Tamiya 8Rad bit, but that's true of all the parts I can pick out in these pictures. If that part is not the Tamiya 8Rad suspension part, then perhaps it came from another German armored vehicle kit from Tamiya - another "wagen" with a similar but slightly beefier suspension. Until someone finds that part - assuming it exists - I plan on using the Tamiya 8rad part in my model(s). My .02, beaz |
| emojo5 Jedi Knight (5/12/00 11:01:24 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Monogram 8Rad
part
Hey guys. I've been following this thread from the begining of it, but have been keeping a pretty low profile. I've been offering help by passing along photos of some of the model parts to Flintlock and he's put them up on his page. I have both of the Rad 8 model kits and all of the Star Wars reference materials.I also have many, many more Tamiya tank kits, and have been thru them all. In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, the piece in question is without doubt from the monogram kit. The kit is old enough, and it's shape and it's detail is dead on. But I've seen them side by side. You guys haven't. The main difference between the two pieces are as follows: On the Tamiya piece the shape and angle of the trangluar openings is on a different angle from the Monogram piece (you can see that in the great piece of animation clearly, Beaz), again on the Tamiya piece the depth of the bolt details is deeper and crisper, and lastly on the Tamiya the nipple is not quite right. I'm going to try to take some shots of the two and pass them on to Flint so we can move on to some other pieces.By the way I do think that the small detail that is on the wing is from the Tamiya kit. I only hope this helps and doesn't hurt anyones project. -emojo5@aol.com
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| beaz Jedi Knight (5/13/00 12:01:35 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Monogram
8Rad part
emojo5, Alright, now we're getting somewhere! Based on what I'd read on the Y-Wing thread, I passed on a dusty old Monogram 8Rad in a hobby store two days ago, but I'm going to go track it down this weekend. I'll try to post some observations if I can swing it. Thanks for delurking and keeping us from pulling any more hair on this part! Any other parts we ought to know about? beaz |
| Flintlock Jedi Knight (5/13/00 12:29:07 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Monogram
8Rad part
NOTE: Above, IF the Maxi Brute butt is SHORTER than the butt in the pic, as the animation suggests, then the ENTIRE body is wrong too... "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
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werke Jedi Knight (5/13/00 1:19:07 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Maxi-brute
proportions
>>NOTE: Above, IF the Maxi Brute butt is SHORTER than the butt in the pic, as the animation suggests, then the ENTIRE body is wrong too... [r_e_flint@yahoo.com] Dude, don't let it get you down too much. You're only building *from* the MB rather than *with* the MB, right? You should be able to work in any corrections as you build. When I originally built my X-Wing, I copied the MPC kit directly. I had to tear it down and correct a LOT of it! You can do this even with a finished model, if you haven't started yet it's that much easier. For interest, precisely how long and wide is the MB body? Cheers Martyn
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| Capt
Cardboard Registered User (5/13/00 2:08:23 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Monogram
8Rad part
Hello, all! Frank Cerney recently sent me a link to this board and, yes, I've read all 27 pages of it!! As someone mentioned 'recently' I have posted messages about a complete X-wing kit. I've been trying to gauge the response to see if what I'm working on will be something others would want. I will not be ready to take orders until the end of June, due to other kit-commitments I am trying to fill at the moment. I would like to point out some little known facts about the X-wing and ST:ANH models in general. Due to the fact that urethane resin technology in 1976 was basic to say the least, the only form of urethane resin they had available was the foaming type. The molds for most parts were very thin rubber sleeves that registered into thick 'jackets'. The material was poured in and the mold was clamped and strapped shut. This prevented the material from expanding and this is how they got rigid-resin parts. Some details were molded in polyester, but the photo of the X-wing 'kit' that you've all seen is of these resin parts. Also, it was decided after the main patterns had been made for the hero models, that the fuselages for the 'pyro-models' needed a beefier joint between the two halves. The existing 'top/bottom' version did not allow for a strong enough joint, so they re-tooled one of the castings to produce the 'right/left' version as seen in the 'kit' photo. As for the shortness of the ICONS fuselage, I measured the model I have and noticed that while the fuselage comes considerably short of being 53 cm long, the total length of the model, from the nose to the end of the engines, is exactly 53 cm. The fuselage measures out to 48.5 cm which makes it 91% of the 'correct' length. So, that means every original kit part that can be placed next to its mate on the ICONS version should be almost 10% larger. These parts measure out, at the most, to be 4% larger. In some cases, they match exactly. The wings on the ICONS model do match exactly when the kit parts are compared, but this is because ICONS had to make their wings from scratch. To wrap this up, when I get my kit into production, there will be a sheet included in the kit that shows where all the kit parts come from. Like all of you, I still have a few parts to find so I don't have to scratch-build them. But I will make this parts-chart available to whoever would like one. Please note, it isn't ready yet, but will be when the kit is released. As for the details of my kit, it is completely scratch-built. The fuselage is not the Maxi-brute, but a properly proportioned re-creation of the original. It is cast in two halves: top/bottom. The wings will be in the open position, but I am hoping to find a way to facilitate putting them in the closed position. I am not doing landing gear. The wings will have cast-in reinforcements, so they won't have the problem that the ICONS wings have. The engines will be lit with Mag-Lite bulbs and red gels. There will be a 'cradle' style stand, so no ugly extra holes will be added to it! And for those of you out there with ICONS droopy wings, I will be offering a replacement kit, consisting of reinforced, pre-painted wings and instructions on how to install them on the ICONS fuselage. If anyone has any other questions or would like to be put on my waiting list, just email me at CaptCBoard@AOL.com. The price is not set yet, but will probably be in the $225-$275 price range. Thanks for putting up with the long read! Scott Alexander CaptCBoard@AOL.com
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| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (5/13/00 7:01:19 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Monogram
8Rad part
I have the monogram kit on the way.Should get it this week. Should be interesting...
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| beaz Jedi Knight (5/13/00 7:50:26 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Monogram
8Rad part
Flintlock said: NOTE: Above, IF the Maxi Brute butt is SHORTER than the butt in the pic, as the animation suggests, then the ENTIRE body is wrong too... I wouldn't say the entire body is wrong - the top half matches up quite well, actually. Rather, the rear half of the bottom half is a bit too shallow. It's a judgement call as to whether or not this area on the Maxi merits replacement. I have yet to decide what I'm going to do about this area. When I get some time I'll post some data on the Maxi measurements and how they compare to what I think the actual measurements are. Remember, if what you want is a 100% accurate X-Wing, you'll have to sneak into the Lucasfilm Archives or a museum to get it. Short of that, what will you settle for? 85%? 95%? 92.39384%? How will you even know? beaz |
| beaz Jedi Knight (5/13/00 8:04:23 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Monogram
8Rad part
Capt Cardboard, Welcome aboard! I'm speaking for myself of course, but I think it's safe to say that the folks here would be most interested in your progress on the X-Wing kit and any insight you can provide to the body of knowlege on this subject. The more the merrier! beaz |
| beaz Jedi Knight (5/13/00 2:56:35 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Monogram
8Rad part
Guys, Just got home with my Monogram 8Rad. I could take some pictures and do some more quickie animation, but guys, please take my word for it: The suspension part from the Monogram kit (copyright 1974, BTW) is without a doubt the part in the pictures we've been looking at. Not the Tamiya suspension part, but the Monogram. There's no doubt in my mind now that I have both kits and both parts laid out side by side. Where the Tamiya part is a "maybe, maybe not" the Monogram part is a perfect match when I drop it on my 1:1 scale image. In my opinion, if you want the exact parts for the X-Wing, you're going to need to have both 8Rad kits. I think we owe Martyn a debt of gratitude for pointing this out, and emojo5 props for backing him up. Thanks guys, beaz |
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werke Jedi Knight (5/14/00 8:12:12 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Maxi-B and
size
Hi all, Capt. C I second Beaz's words, I'm too far gone into my scratch to stop now but I'm sure there's a market. Will this be a licensed product, and if not, are you likely to get hassled over it? I'm very interested in your info and progress anyway, please keep us updated! Beaz, thanks for the bouquet, but really I wouldn't have brought it up if I hadn't been in a panic over the Y.
(BTW I'm still worried about that, I'll post some stuff on the Y thread,
you might need two Tamiyas.) Anyway, back on-topic; the Maxi-Brute. It's 19.75" according to Bill George, which seems to compare really well with the AoSW overhead pic. Yes, I know that it is angled, but no matter what I do to it I cannot get it to exceed 50.18 cm or so - dead on for 19.75 inches. This is scaling using the Saturn parts of course. If the Icons is shorter than the original model, it presumably must only be by about 1.5 cm/0.6", yeah? Rather than the full inch, two inches, that we've heard before. My original scratch fuselage was like 55 cm long and looked ridiculous. I do think the *whole* model is nearly 56 cm long but the fuse is much shorter. Anyway, that 1.5 cm gap is not far from Capt. C's 4% size difference, yeh? (Which is within the shrinkage range of many silicones/resins, BTW.) Beaz, I'm looking forward to your dimensions with bated breath! BTW I have a set of dimensioned drawings and cross-sections for the fuselage I drew up from AoSW, Chronicles and Famous Spaceships pics . It would be a bit of work to scan and clean it up, anyone interested in seeing it? I can post it here if so. Cheers Martyn
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| gw2tulsa Jedi Knight (5/14/00 10:24:14 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Maxi-B
and size
If Capt Cardboard will be making a complete kit (possibly using Franks molds if I understand the previous posts), then I will not be offering up my body form/ resin parts. I do not wish to start some sort of X-Wing competition. I had hoped to make a compliment to Frank's part kit, but it looks like Frank will be selling his molds. That would leave me with only the body with no engines, R2 strip, or wings. A whole lotta good my body will do at that point... What has originally started as a group effort will not be nil'ed by one individual making a kit product. I have other projects that can occupy my time so its no loss. My only problem is that I have spent $125 on a maxi-brute which I have now 95% destroyed in pursuit of helping this thread. I will still have to finish my original plan if only to FINISH my own X-Wing... Looks like its going to the back burner now. Sad day indeed... -Gary
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (5/14/00 1:41:07 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Maxi-B
and size
Im not selling anything. Not much left to sell. Im filling two last orders. Capt C has his own masters...and molds. Nice stuff to I saw it. :-) Frank Cerney |
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werke Jedi Knight (5/14/00 11:36:36 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Capt. C's
kit
Gary, I think you're overstating the case. Cheer up! I know I've spent too much time and effort to ditch my scratch and I expect that most people here who have actually started work or even kit collecting will feel the same way. I'm sure there is a market for Capt. C's kit, hey, I'd quite like one myself if it wasn't for the above, and the price is good. But I don't doubt the market will be those who haven't already started their scratches or who lack confidence in scratchbuilding. Personally, I *like* kits, but I reckon there's NOTHING like the smugness factor you get from being able to say 'I built it myself'.
Cheers Martyn
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| Immelmann Registered User (5/15/00 3:07:14 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
I've been lurking on this board since about January and I have to say you guys have been more help than I have ever hoped to find. I'm thinking about doing the Maxi-Brute conversion and have seen the photos on Bill George's site and that is incredibly encourging. But the reason I'm posting here tonight is I was visiting my brother this weekend and he was gloating over two particular kits he got recently. The Bandai 1/15 Tiger and the 1/15 Hummel. I have to say, my eyes about popped out of my head when I saw some of the Hummel parts!! One is the do-hicky that is located on the backs of the wings, under the engines. Its hard to describe, but part of it just hangs down (or up depending on which wing it is) and the upper and lower ones interlock when the wings are in the closed position. My brother said it was a jack and that there was one on the Tiger, too but I checked it out and the detail is all wrong. I have the part (but I have to give it back) and checked it against what shows in the AOSW book and its a dead match. There were two other parts that go on the back of the body, where the slanty lines are. One of those parts also is used twice at the bottom of that same panel, one on either side of the 8-Rad suspension part. Its actually the end of one of the other parts, but there is only one in the kit. My brother said he'd make molds of these parts so I can use them on my model. I sure am glad he got his tax refund this year!
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| emojo5 Jedi Knight (5/15/00 9:22:07 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Hummel
kit
Bingo! I had heard something about this kit as well, but wanted to pick one up, and see for myself before everyone went wild trying to find one. This kit is very expensive. It's in the $250 to $300 range because it's a remote controled tank kit. I should have mine in about a week. I'll let you know. -Emojo5
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| beaz Jedi Knight (5/15/00 9:41:11 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Hey, Immelmann, Welcome! 1/15 Hummel, huh? That's a biga$$ tank model - pricey, too. But at least it's not rare - looks like Bandai re-issued it recently. Just so we're on the same page are we talking about the area outlined in orange below (minus the Sherman parts shaded in blue):  How much of that area is represented by the Hummel jack part you found? Does it include the three circles up top? Does the part also have the vanes down below that wrap the Sherman wheel mounts? As for the other parts from the Hummel, where are they located in the pic blow?  You mention the parts on either side of the Monogram suspension part (shaded in red), but where are the other parts you found? Hope you don't mind all the questions, but inquiring minds...! beaz |
| beaz Jedi Knight (5/15/00 9:58:17 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Maxi-B
and size
Martyn, When I get all my measurements and drawings finished, I'll post them here. In the meantime, post whatever you've got, if it's not too much trouble! beaz |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (5/15/00 10:15:10 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Maxi-B
and size
On either side of the Sherman. See it? Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (5/15/00 3:59:45 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Maxi-B
and size
Hey, Frank! Forgive my ignorance, but I don't have the Hummel handy. Which (if any) of the green shaded parts in this image are we saying come from the Hummel?  Woo hoo! More parts! beaz |
| Immelmann Rogue Jedi (5/15/00 4:49:06 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Maxi-B
and size
The jack is the top half of the 'brown' part in the first photo. It does not include the part that 'brackets' the Sherman part. If I can figure out how to post a photo, I'll see if i can find a digital camera to shoot some views of the part. The other part, at the rear starts with the bottom slanty thing and goes to the top of that area. What looks like a gas cap of some sort has to be added, but otherwise its all one piece on each side. There are 'left/right' pieces in the kit. One of those has the little 'cannister' that sits on either side of the 8-rad part.
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| Immelmann Rogue Jedi (5/15/00 5:39:13 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Maxi-B
and size
Okay, I've made copies of the photos in the post from Beaz. I have modified them with images of the kit parts but I don't know how to put the in here. I can email them to someone who knows how to work this magic, or (shudder) if someone can email me EXACTLY how to do this, I'll put them up myself. I do not know anything about html or much else beyond clicking on things on a screen to get something to happen, so if its going to get more complicated than that, I may get lost. Someone get back to me! Ed
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| beaz Jedi Knight (5/15/00 6:58:51 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Maxi-B
and size
Ed, If you'd like, just email the stuff to me at mailto:%20beazuhma@mindspring.com & I'll throw it onto my webserver so I can post it to the thread. Thanks, man! beaz |
| emojo5 Jedi Knight (5/15/00 8:10:37 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Hummel
Here is what "I think" the pieces from the Hummel are. They look to me like the gun cradle pieces, left and right pieces respectfully. I don't have the kit yet, but having seen it, I'm almost positive. Benz, I had to borrow your jpeg to illustrate. I've created it but don't know how to post it. Can anyone help me place an image on this forum? -Emojo5aol.com
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| beaz Jedi Knight (5/15/00 9:44:33 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Hummel
emojo5, Thanks for the info, I'd really like to see your pic. Pics on a project like this are so worth more than a thousand words. There are basically two steps to posting an image here: 1) Copy the image to a web server and note the the address (URL) of the file. If you have a personal webspace with your ISP, read your ISPs documentation on copying files there. Most ISPs give you space for some files (5 megs or so) with the minimum subsrciption and the ISP's homepage will usually provide step-by-step instructions for using that space. If you don't have webspace through your ISP, then yo u might want to consider signing up for one of the freebie hosting services. Photopoint seems pretty popular with folks around here. 2) Use either the ezboard EzCodes or html tags when you post a reply here. EzCodes are the default, and are actually quite easy to use. If you click on the EzCodes link next to the checkbox under the window where you type your messages, you can see how they work. Essentially, when I want to include an image I make sure I have the correct web address (URL) of that pic and I type something like the following in my message: [image]http://www.mindspring.com/~beazuhma/images/rearbits03.jpg[/image] The [image] EzCode tag tells the message board software that the text that follows is the URL of an image file you want to display. The [/image] EzCode tag tells the message board software when you're finished typing the image file URL. That's all there is to it. It may sound like a lot at first glance, but once you've used the EzCodes a couple times you'll get the hang of it. Don't forget, if you want to test your message before you actually post it, make sure the "Preview" check-box - right next to the "Add Reply" button - is checked. Feel free to email me at beazuhma@mindspring.com if you have any questions. Hope this helps, beaz Edited by beaz at:
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| beaz Jedi Knight (5/16/00 12:14:26 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Parts
All, I got email from several folks today, with modified images from three! I've spent a little time to get one set of images which I think best illustrates our current knowledge of where some of these parts on the rear of the X-Wing are coming from. Please let me know if I've made any mistakes. Parts are color-coded as follows: Blue - Hasegawa 1/72 Sherman Red - Monogram 1/32 8Rad Green - Bandai 1/15 Hummel   Parts we aren't sure of yet are not shaded at all. I also got a really nice overlay pic from Immelmann that shows two of the important Hummel parts we're talking about and how they fit (Immelmann, I grayscaled this to minimize color confusion with the other parts pics).  Thanks to everybody who provided info & pics today! beaz |
| kaiburr Rogue Jedi (5/16/00 5:03:53 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Excellent
finds!
Shipbuilders, How sweet it is to come back from a rather long business trip and find this much information here... As well as some new blood! Immelman, as this Hummel is such an expensive kit to buy for just a few parts, will you be making these castings available from your brother's molds? If that is a possibility, than it would certainly benefit many on this board who are strapped for dosh as I am. Excellent hunting! This opens new doors. Nathan Contact me if you want! nkhyber@aol.com
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (5/17/00 10:15:43 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Excellent
finds!
The Rear wheel on the gun is supposed to be from a larger Sherman. One that is rare. Scott told me about the tank..and he and I have bother recently purchased one. We shall see if it is indeed the wheel we all need. Meanwhile..the parts under the gun...is also in this same kit. So we may be in store for a double wammmy. I know there are two camps here...the WAIT FOR THE KIT...and...the BUILD YOUR OWN. I plan on both! :-) Frank Cerney |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (5/17/00 11:52:31 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Excellent
finds!
30!! 30!! 30!! 30!! Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (5/17/00 2:40:18 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Excellent
finds!
Frank, Cool! Let us know if you find anything. Parts, parts, parts... beaz |
| beaz Jedi Knight (5/18/00 10:47:07 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Working on
Some Measured Drawings
All, I'm currently working on some measured drawings. These drawings will include: - fuselage outlines from top, bottom and side - fuselage cross-section bulkhead outlines - wing outlines from top, bottom and side - gun outlines from top, bottom and side - parts detail (R2 strip, rear plate, engines, etc) - panel line overlays These will obviously take a while to complete, but this is turning into a project that has me extremely interested - part model archeology, part treasure hunt. I enjoy getting things right the first time. The engineer in me... Of course, it helps a lot to have a place like this, where I get to hang out with other weirdos who care a little too much about this stuff! As I build these drawings up in Photoshop, I'm using multiple layers to represent basic outlines, parts breakdowns, panel lines, measurement notations, etc. That way it's easy for me to turn off/on any given layer so that I can see only what I want to see at any given moment. The only problem is that these files end up being rather large. I may end up organizing individual layers into some web pages of some sort, as it's difficult to share such large Photoshop files, and not everybody has Photoshop. Here's a sneak peek at one of my (as yet unfinished) drawings, shrunk and compressed for download speed, with some of its layers animated:  Consider this a bump, beaz |
| beaz Jedi Knight (5/19/00 10:00:21 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
My Other
Project
Guys, Looks like I'll be offline for a day or so - wife's in labor. Off to the hospital. Zoinks! Keep the thread alive, beaz |
| viper at
adnc com Jedi Knight (5/21/00 1:40:04 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
That red
part
Is that red part(the 8rad suspention part) from the Tamiya kit or the monogram kit? I do know that the Galactica used the Tamiya kit I'm looking at that now.
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| Cardboard
Captain Registered User (5/21/00 10:24:44 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Tamiya E8
Sherman not correct!
I just got a Sherman E8 made back in the 70's and the return rollers are not the pieces used on the rear ends of the lasercannons. Rats. I was SO sure!! Scott
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| Cardboard
Captain Rogue Jedi (5/23/00 12:53:57 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
re: That red
part
Its from the Monogram kit.
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| Cardboard
Captain Rogue Jedi (5/23/00 3:11:43 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Working
on Some Measured Drawings
Great drawing! I think the best way to solve the dilemma over file size is to make a copy of the original file and flatten it (that's a Photoshop term...) so the file size goes down. You can also reduce the resolution to 72dpi if the drawing is published at the correct scale. This way, if no one has to enlarge it to take a measurement, they won't miss the higher resolution. What would be really cool is to create the same kind of animation you posted using the actual photographic image of a new pattern, keeping all the parts in their original colors! Scott CaptCBoard@AOL.com
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| Captain
Cardboard Registered User (5/25/00 4:22:35 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Okay. I signed up for a Global account. This local account stuff just wasn't working. I must have signed up 5 or 6 times because it wasn't working. Sheesh...
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| beaz Jedi Knight (5/25/00 9:34:24 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Working
on Some Measured Drawings
Hey, Capt, You're right about the Photoshop files. When I get finished I'll probably post a few different versions of the drawings for folks with different bandwidth issues. I'm afraid you lost me on the animation suggestion, though! Walk me through that one more time... beaz |
| Captain
Cardboard Jedi Knight (5/27/00 2:19:13 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
X-wing Engine
and Fuselage News
I was studying the photos in AOSW and noticed that the heatsinks are not mounted deeply in the turkey feathers, like they are in the ICONS model. It appears that there is only about 1/4 of an inch setback, from the edge of the engine casting to the ring the heatsink in mounted in. I don't know if anyone has noticed the difference between the 'real' and the ICONS, but I thought I'd share it in case it was important to anyone. By the way, I will be making my fuselage available as a 'sub-kit' if anyone wants to avoid having to track down a Maxi-brute. I should have it ready to go in two weeks or so. The complete kit should be ready to go by the end of June, at the latest.
Edited by Captain
Cardboard at: 5/27/00 2:19:13 pm |
| kaiburr Rogue Jedi (5/27/00 3:00:35 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Cardboard
Kit
Resin or vacuuform? Panel lines included? Nathan
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| gw2tulsa Jedi Knight (5/27/00 8:01:34 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
x-wing
kit
Well, thanks to captain cardboard it looks like I will not be proceeding any further on my kit. I must say I am more than a little dissapointed (especially since I all but destroyed my $130 Maxi-Brute to start a kit). Now not only am I out the cash, but my maxi is in such a state of disrepair that the only way to salvage it would be to make a kit (which will not be needed thanks to Capt C). So, why bother. I'll just eat my $130 and move on to better things. I thought we were working together on this project, but it looks like some were just watching so they could gather info and make a full kit version for profit. I DO NOT nee d this kind of a headache. Gary Weaver signing off...
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| pcmodeler
Jedi Knight (5/27/00 10:51:00 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
I don't blame
you
To be honest, I kind of feel the same way. I can't blame him for producing one of his own and selling it. Too each his own but at the same time, so many people have provided information that it in essence makes everyone (some more than others) a consultant. I can't say much since I purchased Franks parts in order to save myself some time and money. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com/
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| kaiburr Rogue Jedi (5/27/00 11:21:21 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
X-Wing
Fuselage Salesmen...
Gary, I sincerely hope that someone else making this kit doesn't put you out. My own Maxi-Brute is also in a million pieces. I was that one who started this thread with the aim of creating an X-Wing kit to sell. I do not work for the Incom corporation, and have little time to reproduce this ship fast enough.Sometimes you have to bite the bullet on things as sad as it is. I have learned a ton on the board by posting, so in my opinion it was never a wasted effort. How many people are making the same lightsaber or Vader part or whatever, and all these people manage to sell to someone. I would still attempt to buy the best product out there. There are differences in the suppliers and creators that are worth note. So... Before any of you mentioned a kit on the fuselage side of things, I originally posted my intent to do so. And had the Maxi cut to hell all along. I own no patent. Please stick around as your contributions are helpful and if you did decide to do it, my original interests remain. Forcefully, nathan
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| gw2tulsa Jedi Knight (5/27/00 11:47:57 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-Wing
Fuselage Salesmen...
Mark and Nathan, Thanks for your comments. This afternoon I was pissed madder than hell when I read the above post about another hull kit. I had stated nearly as soon as I got my Maxi that I wanted to help others here by supplying a fuselage. In my mind thats what was so cool about this thread. We had a bunch of people working on ID'ing parts. Then Frank stated offering his cast pieces which are totally awesome. I was going to start offering hulls and I think someone else was going to offer engine intakes. I fully hoped to have a complete x-wing that was not just the work of one person, but rather our efforts as a group. There is something almost magical about so many people working together on something as complex and awe-inspiring as this X-Wing. Does anyone else feel the same way about this, or am I slightly loony-tunes? :) Everyone in this little "club" was making great headway working together until out of the blue here comes a COMPLETE KIT from somone who until that point HAD NOT CONTRIBUTED at all. At that moment I could see that our collaborative work was being misused to make a profit, where all I wanted was a complete model (or two :). Now it looks like Frank may quit making his parts and I may be too late to the dinner for it to even matter. Who knows how many others have probably just moved their models to the back burner. I fully understand that in making props there will always be someone who comes along and makes a competing product. However, in this case we were working together towards a common goal and had that goal undermined. Whats done is done, and nothing is gonna change it, but I don't have to be happy about it. I have had multiple opprotunities to take projects out from others with better quality work, but I don't do it. Wanna know why? I feel it is bad form to do something like that to a collegue, and I would hope people would treat me with the same respect. Perhaps thats why my wife says I would never make a "successful" businessman. I simply refuse to cut someone elses throat in order to get ahead or make a quick buck. Guess what, I'm not changing... I'm not sure what I will do in regards to the hull. I would love to make it and still want an X-Wing (asides from my Icons version). However, I've lost a good portion of my motivation now and have no idea how to get it back... -Gary
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| stonky
Rogue Jedi (5/28/00 10:13:55 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-Wing
Fuselage Salesmen...
Motivation? How about a back to back to back Star Wars movie marathon? That always gets me hyped. stonky
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| beaz Jedi Knight (5/28/00 3:10:57 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: x-wing
kit
Guys, Not trying to start a flame war here or anything, but I must say I'm having a hard time understanding all the drama of late. This is not a competition. Each of us is in one way or another working on his own X-Wing model. Some of us are actively building, others are just gathering kits for later, and some are looking for ways to accurize the existing smaller scale kits. This thread is invaluable to those of us who are following it day to day, and I say the more who want to participate the better. Captain Cardboard (Scott) is doing some really, really nice work and I for one am glad he's decided to take some time to add to the body of knowledge on this subject here on this thread. I see absolutely no difference between Scott's desire to offer a near complete kit for $275 and Frank's offering his partial kit for $150. In fact, Scott's deal is a total steal IMO, especially when I consider I just paid $200 alone for a Bandai 1/15 Hummel - a kit which supplies just a few of the parts necessary to build this model. Even though I'm working on my own fuselage and obtaining kits as fast as we can identify parts, I am genuinely excited about Scott's kit and plan to purchase one for reference. I've come close to scoring an Icons X-Wing for reference several times but backed off. Now, Scott is going to offer a more accurate X at a fraction of the cost. I say bring it on, homey! In fact, I would encourage anyone who is interested in selling additional recast parts or subassemblies to offer 'em up. The more the merrier! Again, this is not a competition, and no one has been granted an exclusive license to build and sell this or that bit! It's a bit presumptuous for any one of us to assume he/she alone has the right to produce a particular part. The more people who are into this, the more options we all have and the more information there is to go around. That's community. Gary, if the only reason you got into this is because you thought you could make a tidy profit - I'm sorry if you feel like you're losing your investment. For me - and several others too, I suspect - this process is more a labor of love and there are no illusions of somehow making back what we spend in cash! I have no misconceptions about the kind of energy and money I'll need to expend to pull it off to my satisfaction, but it's all very much worth the price to me, otherwise I wouldn't bother. Additionally, I have no expectations from the other participants in this thread other than the occasional pat on the back when I add some value to the discussion. I'm reminded of the line from the old song: "I beg your pardon, I never promised you a rose garden." Gary, several times now you've given Scott a hard time about his kit, and you've also complained several times about Frank stopping the production of his kit, even though he's been threatening to do just that for months now. In my opinion you've been extremely unfair to both of them and you put them both in a sticky position by constantly challenging their right to participate at whatever level they choose to participate. In my opinion, Scott & Frank's input is as valuable as your own - probably more so, to be honest - and I would hate to see either of them stop participating because they don't need the hassle. Again IMO, you need to calm down and back off already. beaz |
| Tony
Agustin Jedi Knight (5/28/00 5:50:46 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: x-wing
kit
I really love this thread. I found the hunt for Xwing parts completely fascinating. I'm tempted to even get Captain Cardboards kit. I don't think I contributed anything to the hunt for parts though. Maybe I bumped the thread a couple of times. To Gary Why don't you finish the kit you started? It sure was a waste of a good maxi brute. Do it some justice and please.....stop (how can I put this kindly?) whining. Now when is someone going to show a finished painted X-Wing? I'm on pins and needles
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| kaiburr Rogue Jedi (5/28/00 6:17:37 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Sherman
1/76
As the owner of the Matchbox and Airfix Sherman kits, I unfortunately still need to find the Hasegawa version. I finally broke down and ordered it today. Which part numbers on the Hasegawa are applicable (aside from the hull, obviously) for the areas behind the guns ect. I know this is treading old grounds but I hate the wade! Nathan
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| Captain
Cardboard Jedi Knight (5/28/00 7:02:43 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Holy BLEEPing
Smoke!!!
Now I've heard everything... First, the assumption has been made that I came here to get information. The fact is, I've only become aware of 3 parts that I wasn't already aware of as a result of visiting this forum. I've shared as much of my knowledge as anyone and will continue to do so. The fact that I'm going to make a kit available is only subject to one point of view-- I make kits for a living. That's what I do and I've done a lot of them over the years. If I was operating from the point of view that I just want to make money, I wouldn't have bothered resourcing the kit parts in the first place. I'd have just made do by scratch building them or using other parts. But the hallmark of my models is accuracy, and it takes a long time to get things right. We all know of model companies that don't spend enough time to get things right, and we've all heard the complaints. I've been working on this project for nearly 2 years and have arrived at the point where my efforts will pay off. This board has been in existence only since November. I don't mean to sound testy, but someone here has pushed a big button. My efforts certainly don't mean others can't do the same. Just because I announce that I will make a sub-kit available to those who want to continue building from scratch without having to track down a Maxi-brute fuselage, doesn't mean anyone has to stop what they've been doing. If someone else wants to bring out a 'fuselage only' kit, that's fine by me. If someone else wants to bring out an entire kit, that's fine by me, too-- I certainly don't own the rights to making a kit of this model!! My efforts go toward those who can't do that, and that's a lot of people. When I finally put a kit out, I've also spent a ton of money up front to that point. The X-wing alone will have cost me around $2500 to bring out. What someone here fails to address is that while he and others continue their quest for the ultimate X-wing, there are others that can't afford to buy the kits or feel they have the talent to do the model justice. THAT is what a kit is for. That is what ALL kits are for. If I'm ruining something here by producing a kit, then by that logic this board would be taking something from ICONS, if they were still producing stuff. If I'm doing something against the spirit of this board, I'll leave and not post anything further. But nothing I'm doing should stop anyone else from accomplishing their goals. I simply don't have the power to cause anyone that much grief. Scott Alexander CaptCBoard@AOL.com
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (5/28/00 7:18:11 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Holy
BLEEPing Smoke!!!
Well Said. Frank Cerney |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (5/30/00 5:02:54 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
....doesnt
look like much...
...but she has got it where it counts.... Frank Cerney Edited by Cerney1 at:
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| gw2tulsa Jedi Knight (5/28/00 9:49:53 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
....doesnt look like much...
Frank, Great shot of the Falcon, I can't wait to see it finished :) Beaz, There is no way in hell I started my kit to as you put it "make a tidy profit". I was making the kit for two reasons. 1. so no one else would have to pay $130 for a difficult to work with and incomplete Maxi-Brute rocket. 2. To offer my assistance in some way to the project and contribute. In the end all I wanted was to get a good quality X-Wing model. I will asmit that I was down on CC, but it was because I just felt that my effort is no longer necessary and it pissed me off. I will no longer do anything demeaning to CC efforts. Heavens knows if the kit is a good as I'm thinking it will be, I may just want one :) As to my getting after Frank, I wasn't. I TRUST Frank (and from me thats a RARE thing) and thought he was doing an awesome job on the x-wing parts. My kit will NEED Franks parts to be complete (I'm designing it from his parts as it is). To hear that he was going to quit and/or sell the molds left me at a dead end. Why bother to offer a part if the counterparts aren't availiable? I apologize for somewhat flying off the handle yesterday, I needed to cool down a little. Actually, I'm glad I cooled off and I had an awesome idea today and need to look into it a little more. Its a related project, but just about as cool as an X-Wing. BTW, I think I will finish my hull, if not just to have it done :) -Gary Weaver II
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (5/28/00 9:51:04 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Now that's
something sweet
Nice work Frank! The other day, I was like "Man, I really like this kitbashing business... maybe I can do a Falcon too..." Then I realized I have been running out of money due to other kits. It's just too much money for me. I'm young yet, and don't have the fundage pouring in... Say Frank, did you still have that X-Wing part set for me?
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (5/28/00 10:24:34 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Now
that's something sweet
Gary...Flint...dont sweat it...when you are ready for parts...Ill have some for you. I.,...or my molds arent going anywhere. Gary....when I saw Scotts hull...I wanted to throw away my Maxi Brute. Its that nice looking..then I thought...Im building this...to see how close I can get this POS Maxi Brute to look like its supposed to. Its the challenge....and each one of us...will have a differnt one..as we work differently..with different techniques. We even disagree on how things should look....so..making our own...gives us freedome of expression. Each one..will be the perfect one for us...because we did it. All by oursleves. I posted my falcon....to make a point...I would have never started it..if Ihad.not .."exercised" my skills building other stuff...even if it came out crappy. So.....we are ALL models builders....the idea..is to learn to be better builders. Not just to have an XWING....KENNER would have supplied that. My Xwing....will not look quite like Scotts. Its not supposed to. However....I have every intention of buying his kit. Its nice.....and I need a WEDGE to Fly with my LUKE. Happy Building my Model Building Glue Sniffin' Brotheren Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr Rogue Jedi (5/28/00 10:44:04 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Frank, you
bastard!
That Falcon looks fabulous! Enough with all this negative crap... Let's make ships. I'm glad it seems to be off all our chests out there. Moving on - Any need for the Airfix Sherman on Rebel ships? I can't seem to locate the Y-Wing thread anymore, so I'm unclear if it'll do me any good. Can't wait to see anyone's projects come to life! Nathan
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| beaz Jedi Knight (5/29/00 12:14:32 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Sherman
Parts, etc.
Frank, Awsome pic! Two questions: How can you work on that and the X-Wing and all the other stuff? When should we expect a Falcon kit? [note: the preceeding question was a joke, it was only a joke and as such should not be taken seriously] Scott, Stick around, please & keep us posted as you discover more parts & make progress on your kit. Nathan, Hasegawa M-4(A3E8) Sherman, 1/72 scale, current catalog number MT15. Parts identified to date: 1) No. 1, hull, used on rear plate 2) No. 35, turret base, used on rear plate 3) Nos. 10/11, wheel mounts, upper section used on trailing edges of wings under rear engines, upper center section used on sides of main gun tubes 4) No. 17, headlights, used on trailing edges of wings under rear engines 5) No. 40, machine gun, used in triangular recess on leading edges of wings Ounce for ounce the best bang for the buck of any kit used to make the X-Wing! beaz Edited by beaz at:
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (5/29/00 1:02:44 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Sherman
Parts, etc.
...Bidding on an Airfix 1/600 Scharnhorst on eBay. Beaz, did you ever recieve that SdKfz 232 from Hobbyweb? I was wondering, in case they were out of stock or something. I don't have much more to get for my *future* X-Wings, but for one I want to do this summer, I'll need Frank's parts. Frank, I'll be ready for them whenever you are. "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| Captain
Cardboard Jedi Knight (5/29/00 1:42:43 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Sherman
Parts, etc.
I don't know about others, but Hobbyweb came through for me. I got my 232 on Thursday of last week! Scott |
| beaz Jedi Knight (5/29/00 2:59:29 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Sherman
Parts, etc.
Flintlock, I ended up getting my 232 from a local hobby shop. I had called Hobbyweb two weeks ago to check on another order & asked if they had the 8Rad in stock. They said they didn't but that it would be quick & easy to get from one of their distributors. I ran across the kit around here so I didn't have to order it. The nice thing about Hobbyweb is that it's the biggest model-only online store with a really large catalog, and they probably get A-plus service from the big kit distributors as a result. beaz |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (5/30/00 10:53:30 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Awsome pic! Two questions: How can you work on that and the X-Wing and all the other stuff? hahah I dont. My Xwing is sitting in a box. I have a STASIS tube to get out..and some other stuff. Notice the Hugger Fingers under falcon. When should we expect a Falcon kit? [note: the preceeding question was a joke, it was only a joke and as such should not be taken seriously] I know.....well.Steve Neisen Im sure might do one....but I wont. Flint: Ready when you are. Frank Cerney Edited by Cerney1 at:
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| belleauwood Jedi Knight (5/29/00 8:48:59 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Hobby Shops
W/ Rare stuff
Hey gang, Just dropping a note to y'all, I just had an opportunity to "Catch Up" on this thread and not liking very much some of the last few pages, reminding me of just WHY sometimes I hate being online and seeing crap like that, but at least that’s behind us all now (hopefully). Anyway, I just thought I'd go ahead and recommend a shop I was at this weekend, Brookhurst Hobbies. Someone MAY have already talked about them, but it goes without saying that they are a GOOD resource to track down some of those kits out there. I say 2 1/32 Hurricanes, and a few other kits I know are used here or for the Y-wing, and quite a few I wasn't sure about. Unfortunately, I was rushed, having just got off a ship and in a borrowed car, but what I saw impressed me. I only wish I had more than my "mental list" of what was used, I could have checked exactly what they had as well as giving prices to everyone here. Now, they DO have a web page http://www.brookhursthobbies.com/ but its just OK for pricing and stuff, and it doesn't list some of their "rare" kits, but I'd say give them a call and ask,((714) 636-3580)) they were super nice and friendly to me when I was there. I didn't walk out empty handed, they had the old school Airfix Saturn V, which was pricier than the reissue @ $35, but I wanted to see what, if anything had changed from the old to the new. My reissues (3) should arrive from Amazon any day now . . . and then I'll let everyone know for sure if anything’s diff. I don't think so, but I want to check just in case . . . Anyway, I have a web page that I've been working on offline while at sea for some time now, detailing my efforts to get a reasonably accurate X-wing out of the Hasbro Power FX . . . so far its looking good, and as soon as I have even a trial page online I'll shoot the URL here for everyone’s opinions and comments . . . Just a few quick thoughts for everyone, and now its time for me to go hobby and get my zip-kicker fix . . . Ryan
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| kaiburr Rogue Jedi (5/31/00 2:54:38 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Model
Sources
Another one that I've had good luck with has been Model Expo Inc. Their addy is : www.modelexpoinc.com. I score most of the 1/24 stuff there. And they deliver quickly. Nathan
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| Treadwell
Jedi Knight (5/31/00 5:15:29 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Got the
parts, Frank!
Not that he needs or even wants the advertising, but Frank's castings are GREAT. His molds even picked up artifacts of the injection molding process from the model parts. Clean, clean, clean. I don't know what I was thinking or expected, but these parts are bigger than I anticipated. If I don't screw it up, this is gonna be one impressive X-Wing.. Thanks, Frank! -Jay Pennington Check out my Replica Prop Photo Gallery ...and see the Star Wars Special Edition FAQs in
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| beaz Jedi Knight (6/1/00 12:26:57 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Parts on
Parade!
Got the Hummel yesterday. I believe the following pic contains all of the unique kit parts we've identified so far on this thread, to the best of my recollection. If I've missed any, give me a holler. I'm not sure it's been mentioned here yet, so I'll point it out just in case. The Hummel jack parts are used on both the trailing and leading edges of the wings. Look at the parts and look at your pics to see what I'm talking about. 
beaz |
| kaiburr Rogue Jedi (6/1/00 2:12:50 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Hummel
bits
Beaz, Excellent purchase! That Hummel seems to have been a major contributor on this model. Do you have any casting plans in the works? Nathan
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| pcmodeler
Jedi Knight (6/1/00 6:09:06 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
That little
part
The part you have circled looks like it may have been used on the tie bomber. I think it may just be similar to a part on the rail gun kit. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com/
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| beaz Jedi Knight (6/1/00 8:10:55 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hummel
bits
Nathan, Since some of these kits are hard to find and/or expensive, I'd like to hang on to these parts in their original condition. So my plan is to cast up masters of these parts out of epoxy resin, which shrinks less than polyester resin. I plan on modifying those epoxy masters by trimming, combining, adding any panels, and attaching any necessary greeblies. Once these sub-assembly masters are built up and new molds made, I intend on casting the final assemblies in polyester resin, because it's cheaper, quicker, and I actually want a little more shrinkage in the final parts, just like the real models had. Before I get around to any of this though I need to finish the fuselage master and core for molding and at least one prototype wing on which I'm working. I don't want to build up my subassemblies before I've built up the platforms on which they'll be sitting. This way I can test fit everything before I cast it in resin. At some point my master parts molds and/or subassembly molds could be used to make some resin castings for use by folks who need 'em but don't want to buy the kits and/or build 'em all up bit by bit. I can't offer any timeframe for when that might happen, though. beaz |
| beaz Jedi Knight (6/1/00 8:21:41 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: That
little part
Mark, Here's a better picture of the flipside of the circled Hummel part, the end of which is the part that sits on either side of the Monogram 8Rad suspension part on the rear plate of the X-Wing:  Each square on the cutting matt is one-half inch square. Also, here's a better pic of the Hummel jack parts: 
beaz Edited by beaz at: 6/1/00
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/1/00 9:05:23 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: That
little part
Hey Beaz, what 1/72 panther is that? I got an Ausf.G and it is wrong... good thing little tanks aren't that expensive... "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| beaz Jedi Knight (6/1/00 9:39:46 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: That
little part
Flintlock, It's an Airfix "Constant Scale" or "00 Scale" "Panther Tank" from the 60s. They came in boxes and bags. Mine are in bags & look like this:  These were stamped out in the gajillions and are easy to find on eBay. There are three up for auction right now. I stole this pic from one of 'em. beaz Edited by beaz at: 6/1/00
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/1/00 12:37:59 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: That
little part
Thanks, Beaz! I am now bidding again... I won that Scharnhorst. Lets just hope I don't turn into an auction junkie... "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/2/00 11:03:10 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: That
little part
Any word on the parts directly under the gun, and on other places on the wing (near the bulky part, and underneath inside)? As far as I know, these are the only parts we need before we know all the parts that were used... Wait, I take that back... There are also the wheels on the back of the guns, and those tube-like things that go on the rear plate... anyone have any ideas? "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| Simple Jedi Knight (6/2/00 11:28:37 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Hey guys, I'm getting caught up on life so I'm actually gonna have some time to work on the X-wing again. Man-o-man have you guys been busy since the last time I read this thread! All I've done is some more engine work - I've got 4 of the forward engine sections done, and a prototype of the wing and engine mount 'box'. I'll try and get some pics up this weekend. Beaz - You part findin' fool ! Great work man ! I don't suppose you'd trade a set of the Hummel jack parts for a set of engine inserts ? I can't see do much more on my wing until I can get a set for sizeing. TTL Cam
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| sjanish
Jedi Master (6/2/00 12:40:23 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hummel
bits
Blatant attempt at grabbing post 600...and a real question too. Beaz, would you consider selling unmodified castings of the Hummel parts as well? From the same mold where you pull the "epoxy masters." I'd rather do the rest of the work myself if I ever get to this project...
Scott |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (6/2/00 12:44:07 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hummel
bits
I need a SMALLER Hummel..they make a 1/35?? anyone have one? Frank Cerney |
| gw2tulsa Jedi Knight (6/2/00 3:30:03 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Icons
X-Wing...
Beaz, that group shot is awesome. Its nice to see how all the ORIGINAL components lay out together. You need to put the model names and part numbers next to each part though. it would make my life ALOT easier :) In other news... Got my $200 Icons X-Wing today. Unfortunately, by the time it got here from UPS it was worth about $.50. Its gonna take me a week to fix it :) Still, I'm not complaining. Its gonna make one nice source reference for panel lines, detailing, etc. If anypone needs any info on areas of this "thing" just let me know. Me and my digital camera are always ready... Also, I find it hard to believe that Icons was actully able to sell these POS's for $1500 plus. There must be some STUUUUUUPID people out there... -Gary
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| beaz Jedi Knight (6/2/00 6:56:15 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hummel
bits
Frank, Hobbyweb shows a 1/35 Hummel re-issue from DML for $19 that looks like this:  Bandai also produced a 1/30 Hummel that's out of production. I imagine you could come across either of these kits on ebay sooner or later. beaz |
| beaz Jedi Knight (6/2/00 7:00:35 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hummel
bits
Cam, Scott, Like I said, it'll probably be a while before I get around to casting these parts, both the original & the modified ones. As long as you don't mind waiting, we can work something out then. beaz |
| beaz Jedi Knight (6/2/00 7:08:42 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: That
little part
Flintlock, In addition to the parts you list, we still need to identify the following: 1) the rear hatch. I know the conventional wisdom is that this is from a plastic train model, but which one? 2) the square with the three vanes on the wing next to the forward engine. This is easy enough to scratchbuild, but I'm fairly certain this is a kit part & it would be nice to have. 3) the bracket with four vanes that serves as the platform for the Sherman wheel mounts. Ditto. 4) the wheels on the front of the guns 5) rear engine greeblies. I'm trying to track some of these down now. Any new ideas out there? 6) The c0ckpit. Scratchbuilt or from a kit or kits? beaz |
| beaz Jedi Knight (6/2/00 7:18:11 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Icons
X-Wing...
Gary, I hope to put all the kits & part numbers on there when I'm satisfied I've found as many parts as I'm going to find. In the meantime, if you have any questions, just ask! 200 clams for an Icons X-Wing, huh? How the heck did you swing that? Pretty sweet deal! I believe the $1500 pice tag is justified by the "professional airbrush artists" who paint these things. Of course, if your X-Wing is anything like my TIE-fighter the "airbrush artists" actually used a water hose to paint it, laying on an inch of powdery paint that obscures most, if not all, of the underlying detail. This is of course not true in the areas where they forgot to paint anything at all & you can still see bare resin! I have questions about the rear engines. I'm not sure I've ever seen what's on the "dark side" of these. If you could post some shots of those when you get a minute, I would most appreciate it. beaz |
| gw2tulsa Jedi Knight (6/2/00 8:36:14 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Icons
X-Wing...
Beaz, You went update crazy today didn't you? :) In your response to flintlock, your point #2 about the panels on the engine support boxes. They ARE a found part. You can see a nice shot of them on a partially built model in Chronicals. In teh shot they are a dark colored plastic (maybe a military green). Looking at my Icons there are left and right versions on this part. Couple that fact with the color issue and my thoughts lead it to be from a Tank or Truck of some sort... As for my $200 clam X-Wing, I'll be posting some pics of it "before" and "after". There is a reason I say its worth $.50 by the time it got to my door. I had no idea UPS specifically RAN OVER their shipments :( Still looking for the counterpart TIE to go with it though. If the paint jod is THAT bad you can alway send it over my way to strip and repaint for ya... Could you be a little more specific on the "dark areas" of the wings. I still haven't reglued the wings on from the shipping disaster so I can get all sorts of neat shots right now... Happy Building, Gary Weaver II
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| beaz Jedi Knight (6/2/00 9:38:18 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Icons
X-Wing...
Gary, Friday night is a good night for posting when you're married with children! I have plans for my Icons TIE sometime after I've built an X-Wing or two. I plan on taking it apart & stripping it, putting it back together, and re-painting it - with some creative casting somewhere in the middle. As innacurate as the paint job is, it looks OK in the case from a few feet away. What I'm mainly interested in from your Icons X-Wing is actually the rear engine parts behind the Saturn V section. I'm trying to nail down the greeblies that are attached to the rear engines, but only seem to have clear photos of one side. If you can swing it sometime, I could really use two or three good pics all the way around. Of course, any other shots you can manage would be most welcome! beaz |
| gw2tulsa Jedi Knight (6/3/00 8:28:58 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Icons
X-Wing...
Beaz, looked a little closer at my X-Wing last night. That part that I "thought" was two seperate pieces, is actually one piece, just rotated. Also, each plane is a seperate piece, so its two FLAT pieces not one angled piece. The hunt continues I guess... As for the pics you need, I'll see what I can don't when I get back tonight from my Brothers wedding. I can pop those rear engines completely off, so it should be no problem to get the shots 360 degrees around the rear engine... -Gary
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/3/00 1:06:24 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Icons
X-Wing...
Yes Beaz, after I posted that, I remembered ALL the other really little stuff... We have pretty much all the major stuff identified. What I need to do is get some kits, which in a different sense is exactly what I don't need to do. I think I'll focus on catching up on X-Wing kits... "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| gw2tulsa Jedi Knight (6/3/00 10:01:49 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Engine Pics
for Beaz...
Beaz, let me know if these are the pics you needed... Looks to me like its just the same engine replicated four times. At least this is that way on the Icons version. ILM very well could have made four distinctly different engines... -Gary  .jpg)
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| beaz Jedi Knight (6/3/00 10:50:31 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Engine
Pics for Beaz...
Gary, Dude, that's perfect! I've never been able to make out those funky shapes on the side until now. In most of the side pics I have, the rear engines have been touched up with cheesy hand-drawn lines - maybe 'cause that area tends to look rather bland, I dunno. At any rate, these pics you've posted are perfect & looking at the Red Five pics in SWC I can just make out those same funky panels. I'm pretty sure from looking at pictures that there was only one standard ILM rear engine, too. I do wonder if the built in mounting bracket on the bottom was original to the ILM model or added by Icons, not that it matters much if it was or not. Thanks, man! beaz |
| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/4/00 11:08:02 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Engine
Pics for Beaz...
Hey guys, The 1/700 Hasegawa Ticonderoga Aircraft Carrier IS the right one, correct? Beaz, don't know if I should ask this here, but are there any Y-WING parts in the Hummel Kit? (You can reply on the Y-Wing thread if that is better) "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] Edited by Flintlock
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| beaz Jedi Knight (6/4/00 12:19:07 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Engine
Pics for Beaz...
Flintlock said: The 1/700 Hasegawa Ticonderoga Aircraft Carrier IS the right one, correct? That's the one, dude. are there any Y-WING parts in the Hummel Kit? Hmmmm, I dunno. Lately I've been going over the most minute X-Wing details in my sleep, but to be honest I haven't even thought about, much less looked at, the Y-Wing lately. I know some of the kits were shared, like the Airfix Hurricane & the Tamiya Matilda, but I'm just not as familiar with the Y-Wing greeblies at the moment. I could take some digital pics of the Hummel parts trees for you down the road, if that would help, but there are a lot of parts! beaz |
| beaz Jedi Knight (6/4/00 12:29:14 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Choo-Choo
Hey, Mark/the millennium group, Don't know if you're still watching this thread, but if you are, can you tell us if the Otaki/Arii 1/50 D51 locomotive kit you got last month has the "rear hatch" part for the X-Wing? beaz |
| emojo5 Jedi Knight (6/4/00 1:51:57 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
More part for
the X-wing (I think).
Hey guys. I returned from a family vacation, early last week, to find my 1/15 Hummel waiting for me. I know about the the pieces for the rear of the x-wing, but I think I've found two more in the Hummel as well. You guys tell me what you thing. Anyone else with the hummel, look at the return rollers. They come in two pieces, one half with a shaft, one half with out. One one with out looks like the four gun pieces up by the tips. It has been slightly modfiyed with a lathe or chucked up in a dremel tool. I've used the photo reference from the x-wing box top that has the photo on it. That same photo reference was used to find another part in the Hummel kit. It's the pieces that the jack from the Hummel and the machine gun from the hasegawa Sherman lay on. It has a triangluar shape, and has a lip on the edge. This piece looks like it's needs to be trimmed down to fit the shape of the intake area.Love some feed back on what you guys think. Beaz?, Frank?, Bueller?. -Emojo5@aol.com
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| beaz Jedi Knight (6/4/00 10:05:28 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: More part
for the X-wing (I think).
emojo, My guesstimate measurements for the ILM forward gun wheel, taken from several photos & using known parts for size comparison: Max diameter: 14mm Collar diameter: 8mm Overall height: 6.5mm I measured a Hummel return roller with my trusty caliper and got the same numbers, give a hair or two. This is probably not a coincidence! The only thing it's missing is the forward taper. It has the two concentric rings at the front, just like the ILM wheel. If you look at the ILM wheel, the forward outer ring has a pretty thin wall whereas the Hummel return roller outer ring has a 1mm thick wall. I measured the inside diameter of the Hummel return wheel and got 12mm. That means if ILM machined the taper onto this part, its forward diameter has to be more than 12mm, otherwise this part couldn't be the correct part. The diameter of the front of the ILM gun wheel is just under 13mm by my measure, which would leave just under a half millimeter thick wall around the front of the wheel - again, perfect! I completely agree with you. Next chance I get I'm going to chuck this thing in my Dremel and grind it down a smidge with some sanding sticks. I'll post pics of the result to show everyone what we're talking about. Mark it down folks, emojo found the wheels for the fronts of the guns! As for the triangle, you're most likely right again. This one's a bit more of a tossup, though because it's essentially just a featureless 1.5mm thick triangle with a 1mm lip on one edge. I may save this part for the Hummel and whip up a copy out of styrene sheet & strip. Most excellent work, man! beaz |
| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/5/00 6:52:09 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: More part
for the X-wing (I think).
So part of the Hummel return roller is the FRONT of the guns? What about the other part of the return roller... is this the BACK of the guns? Or are they too big? "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| beaz Jedi Knight (6/5/00 9:16:04 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: More part
for the X-wing (I think).
Hey, Flintlock, Unfortunately, the Hummel kit doesn't have any parts that match up well with the rear gun wheels - the remainder of the Hummel return rollers aren't even close. Seems like Frank and Scott (Capt. Cardboard) were looking into a Tamiya Sherman kit for these, but the kit they got wasn't the right one. Any progress on this wheel guys? beaz |
| emojo5 Jedi Knight (6/5/00 10:12:26 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Rear gun
pieces
Hey Beaz. I'm also trying to locate the rear gun pieces, along with Scott and Frank. Seeing how your pretty good with the calipers, what size do you figure them to be? I think that they might be the Hasegawa Sherman Bogey wheels, but modifyed on a Dremel or Lathe. To me, there is something about the rivit detail that looks the same, but I can't tell because I don't know the size of the originals. I also have the Tamiya Sherman returns, but the detail is not right. By the way, the Tamiya wheels are just slightly larger then the Hasegawa wheels. Slightly. Another piece I'm trying to find is the piece the Sherman supension piece sits on at the rear of the x-wing. To me it looks like a spade from and field gun, possible the Italeri 1/35 scale 155mm gun. I don't know if it was out in 1975, but from photos I've seen of the gun, it could be it. Anyone have one of these? Feedback, please. -Emojo5
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/5/00 10:44:54 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Rear gun
pieces
Emojo5! That is a Howitzer... If you get around to picking it up before I do, we are suspicious that it has a much needed Y-Wing part... it seems only reasonable since a lot of the same kits were used on both the X and Y. I heard that Italeri was not out in '75, but it may have the same pieces... Either that, or it WAS out then. "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| beaz Jedi Knight (6/5/00 1:26:34 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Rear gun
pieces
emojo, My best guess, taken from two photos & comparing the size of the rear gun wheel to the size of other parts in the same plane as well as the diameter of the main gun tube, which is 3/4" (19mm), the same diameter as the heat sink, is that this part is about 14mm in diameter. The Hasegawa Sherman bogey wheel, which I've also stared at quite a bit, is only about 10mm in diameter, which makes it 4mm too small. Another important visual clue is that the ILM rear gun wheel has twelve visible rivets/bolts whereas the Hasegawa Sherman bogey wheel has only ten. beaz |
| beaz Jedi Knight (6/5/00 8:08:05 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Rear gun
pieces
Hey, guys, The Good News One of my local hobby stores had the Italeri M1-A2 155mm Gun, kit no. 232 for $13. I'm pretty sure this is the kit you've been talking about. The Bad News The spades in this kit are not the X-Wing parts we're looking for. Their shape is different, being more rectangular than trapezoidal, the Italeri part is more than 2mm too small at its widest point, they each have only three vanes, instead of four, and the vanes are scalloped triangles, instead of square rectangles. The Good News Despite its differences, this part is close. The actual part we need may very well be the spade from another 1/35 howitzer model, which is good because there aren't as many 1/35 howitzer models as there are, say 1/72 aircraft models. If this part is a spade from a gun - which I think is the best guess so far - then we ought to be able to find it pretty easily. I'm looking for more kits. Flintlock, If you still think there is a Y-Wing part in the kit I bought today, post a pic containing the part in question in the Y-Wing thread & I'll look for it. beaz |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (6/6/00 12:11:38 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Rear gun
pieces
these arent the parts you are looking for.... "those arent the parts we are looking for...." We can go about our business... "you can go about your business..." Frank Cerney |
| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/6/00 12:25:30 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Rear gun
pieces
Well, then check the other Howitzer, the M101... it goes for about half that price 
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| Captain
Cardboard Jedi Knight (6/6/00 2:22:58 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Rear gun
pieces
Sorry, guys, no luck on the return roller yet. I've just plowed through a Revell M-41 Walker tank kit (formally Renwal) and no luck there, either. If anyone has a Renwal Patton tank, it could be from that kit. I was trying to follow something others were saying about the 'triangular' piece on the leading edge of the wing, to the outside of the engine. I can confirm that it is the other half of the Hummel jack, if that's what eveyone is wondering. Scott Captain Cardboard
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| emojo5 Jedi Knight (6/6/00 5:03:06 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
1/15 scale
Hummel on ebay
FYI Guys. There is a 1/15 scale Bandai Hummel on ebay. Here is the address, and, no it's not mine. cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayI...=351094582 -Emojo5@aol.com
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/6/00 5:16:46 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: 1/15
scale Hummel on ebay
...Tempting, Ed. But that has too much time left and the price could escalate quite a bit. I have been bidding too much. Right now I am bidding on (count them) 4 Old Revell Phantoms... All I need is that Hummel and a Ticonderoga and I've got all the parts we've identified so far. I'll let this Hummel go to someone else with more money. If I get those Phantoms, I may sell a couple at a special price to someone on this thread... I just want to see what other parts are in the kits... "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] Edited by Flintlock
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| beaz Jedi Knight (6/6/00 8:14:26 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Rear gun
pieces
Guys, Got a copy of the Italeri 105mm Howitzer this evening. No dice. Puny, open-faced spades. Also snuck a peek inside an Italeri Soviet Field Howitzer which was alredy open (honest!). No dice. Re: the Hummel on eBay Somebody from 'round here better buy that kit if it doesn't hit 100! I spent 16,000 on mine! 16,000 Yen, but still... beaz Edited by beaz at: 6/6/00
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| beaz Jedi Knight (6/6/00 10:05:35 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Minor
Greeblie Found
Guys, This is real minor, but I'm pretty sure I found another part. A few weeks ago I picked up a Monogram Sherman M41A "Screamin' Mimi," hoping to find some wheels for the X-Wing guns (no luck there). I figured if the ILM guys had used the Monogram 8Rad, they probably had some of the other Monogram armor series kits lying around. While combing through the sprues I came across the tow hooks which look like this:  They're tiny - only 4mm at their widest point, but they rung a bell. I pulled out my trusty resources and, voila:  See it? It measures out perfectly. Not a biggie as parts go, but I'm pretty sure it's the part. Can't find any other parts from this kit just yet, but I'll keep staring... beaz Edited by beaz at: 6/6/00
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/7/00 10:28:07 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Minor
Greeblie Found
I was wondering... there is a part in the middle of the Messerschmit part on the top detail. It kinda forms an X and fills the hole... where is this from? Frank? or did you scratchbuild it? Got my Scharnhorst... it's warped "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (6/7/00 10:34:57 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
X
I scratch built it. Its just styrene.
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| beaz Jedi Knight (6/10/00 9:25:08 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Forward Gun
Wheels
Guys, Here's a look at my forward gun wheel. I chucked a Hummel return roller into my Dremel and filed/sanded until I felt like I had a perfect match. Thanks again to emojo for pointing these wheels out! Here's a look at the new wheel:  and here are a couple of comparison shots showing a Hummel roller next to my modified version:  
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (6/8/00 2:04:10 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
BEAZ.....
If thats NOT IT....is SHOULD be... AWESOME!!!!!!! Frank
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| Quinlon
Vos Jedi Knight (6/10/00 9:45:25 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
have you checked this guy out ? www.mpreps.com/neisen.htm He has done a grat job with his studio scle props !!
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| Quinlon
Vos Jedi Knight (6/10/00 10:02:25 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Have you checked this guy out ? www.mpreps.com/neisen.htm He has done a great job with his studio scle props
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/10/00 1:34:41 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Hey, no one on this thread is bidding on that Hummel are they? "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| beaz Jedi Knight (6/10/00 4:23:11 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Not me, man. beaz |
| DARKSIDE72
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Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
I am
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/10/00 11:22:09 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Good deal, I won't intervene
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/12/00 7:04:02 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
That really sucks... I won FOUR Revell 1/32 Phantoms with jet engines for about 20 bucks each on eBay. Now I am only going to get one because the guy won't e-mail me back. There is another one on eBay starting out for 50 bucks... not going to bid on that, because I at least got one. So how goes everyone's projects? "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| beaz Jedi Knight (6/12/00 6:36:56 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Hey, Flintlock, Sorry about the Phantoms. Hard to believe the guy would take a negative rather than sell you the kits. You are going to give him some negative feedback aren't you? I decided I needed three Phantoms - two for building one good master for the rear engine, and one to hold in reserve. Got the first one for $50, 'cause I really wanted it, the second one for $5, 'cause it didn't have any instructions (serious!), and got the third one for $21, which sounds about right. That's eBay... As for the X-Wing project: still working on drawings and trying to find parts. But mostly I'm working on relocating my shop to the basement, where I can make noise, dust, and produce a variety of toxic stenches and not annoy the rest of my family! beaz Edited by beaz at:
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| Xecuter666
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Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
bump! lol "I know that I shall meet my fate" -W. B. Yeats |
| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/13/00 2:02:07 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
That's alright... He finally e-mailed me... so that's about 4 I'll have available, if I win the other one. Does anybody need one? "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] Edited by Flintlock
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| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/13/00 10:18:13 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Man, these phantoms are coming out of the woodwork... there are 2 more on eBay now. "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (6/13/00 10:54:58 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
but are they the right one? Frank Cerney |
| Treadwell
Jedi Knight (6/13/00 11:38:48 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Do I need the Phantom if I have Frank's parts kit?
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| beaz Jedi Knight (6/13/00 11:50:52 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Treadwell, Nope - Frank's kit covers the Phantom parts well. For those of us who are masochists and are scratching/casting our own rear engines we need at least two of these kits. I plan on using Frank's "wing inserts," which are cut from half of the Phantom "removable engine," but will be building a single, master rear engine with greeblies for making hollow-core castings. What's left over of my Phantom engines will serve as wing inserts in my next X-Wing... beaz |
| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/13/00 1:09:54 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Frank, they sure are! One that is coming to me now had a pic on the side of the box of the engine. One I am bidding on has a pic of the parts and you can see the engine right on there. Of the other 3 that I won, 2 were the exact same kits that I mentioned, and the third looked to be from about the same time the others were released. If not, I know I got at least 3 that DO have the engine, and I am bidding on one that surely does. "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| beaz Jedi Knight (6/14/00 2:59:06 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
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| Macklin Jedi Knight (6/24/00 12:47:11 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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Bump.
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| kaiburr Rogue Jedi (6/16/00 3:27:46 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Sherman wheel
mount elaboration
To Beaz or anyone who knows... The M4 Sherman kit has of course the wheel mount parts on the back of the wings. Surrounding them (parts 10/11)are these honeycomb sort of shapes. Does anyone know the origin of this detail? It again could be scratchbuilt, but who has the time? Nathan
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Dante8
 Jedi Knight (6/16/00 6:48:38 am) Reply | Edit | Del  |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Well, I can't resist the pull of the longest thread in Human History... I've done some looking around, is the ERTL X-Wing kits that are on Ebay a lot a viable starting point for a decent X-Wing? Anyone here going that route that wants to lend some tips to someone getting ready to make the big dive into the world of the X-Wings?
Josh ^Dante^
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| DARKSIDE72
Jedi Knight (6/16/00 8:40:35 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Welcome Josh,first... "ERTL" is a bad word around here. ERTL=SH!T My advice is to start from page 1 and read all 33 pages.Then decide if you want to jump feet first into this project.Jamie
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| beaz Jedi Knight (6/17/00 10:46:27 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Sherman
wheel mount elaboration
kalibur, We had a bit of conversation a week or so ago about the part you mention. The best guess I've heard so far comes from emojo, who thinks it might be the spade from a howitzer of some type. I've eyeballed a few Italeri big gun kits, but no luck. We did ID a part from the Italeri 155mm gun as having been used on at least one of the Y-Wing models, however. The X-Wing part - and I'm pretty sure it's a model kit part - might also come from a rocket/missle launcher or some other mobile platform that uses spades for stability. Of course, it could come from anything, but I think these are some of the best guesses to date. For me, I'm getting kinda weary of collecting kits - most of which don't have any useful parts and now fill several boxes in my attic - and am considering redirecting that energy into some drawings, and building up a fuselage and a prototype wing. Another big mystery, at least to me, is the rear "hatch" which sits on the Sherman turret base. There's been some talk about this being from the front of a large scale model locomotive (1/50), but I don't think so. This part is no bigger than a quarter (about 24mm for folks outside the US), and I think that's too small for the front plate of a 1/50 locomotive. 1/72 or HO perhaps, but not 1/50. Also the surface detail and thickness of the part suggest another origin, I think, perhaps a hatch from a tanker, either a train car or a trailer. I picked up a few kits that I thought had some potential, but struck out. I dunno... beaz |
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demigod Rogue Jedi (6/18/00 5:49:22 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
parts
kit
I am selling a F.Cerney Inc. parts set for the studio-scale X-wing PLUS about 15 to 20 misc. resin and original parts that I have added. NO fuselage or wings. The price is $175 shipped. Let me know if you are interested. We take money orders, Visa, MC, and Discover. I only have ONE kit. sdstudios@aol.com
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| Captain
Cardboard Jedi Knight (6/18/00 3:15:52 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
ERTL and
Railroad scales
This is sort of a combo reply to a couple of posts. First, the ERTL X-wing was pantographed from the original that sits to this day in Grant McCune's office. As far as shape is concerned, its correct. There may be some details that are off (and keep in mind I haven't looked at one in years...), but for the most part, it should be very accurate. As for the part we can't seem to figure out, the one that could have come from a 1/50 scale Japanese locomotive kit, the remark was made that it could have come from an HO model, or some other scale. Since 1/50 is much larger than HO (being 1/87) I doubt this is the case. 1/50 is nearly O-scale (1/48) and it is most likely, due to the size of the part in question, that if it came from a locomotive, it would be that scale. Scott CaptCBoard@AOL.com
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| beaz Jedi Knight (6/18/00 11:24:13 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: ERTL and
Railroad scales
Scott, It has been proposed on this thread once or twice that the rear "hatch" part is the front of a 1/50 Japanese steam locomotive model, perhaps the Otaki kit of the D51-101. All I'm saying is I don't think that's true. It may well be another part from that kit, for all I know, but I don't think it's the "plate" (or whatever it's called) from the front of the locomotive. Here's why: 1) to be the front of a 1/50 D51 locomotive, the X-Wing part would have to be bigger by my measure. I have an Airfix "00" scale (1/72) British steam engine, which is approximately the same size as the D51, and the front "plate" is actually the right size for the X-Wing part. It's not close to being the same part, but it's the right size. That's why I said that if the X-Wing part is in fact the front of a locomotive, as some have speculated, then it's more likely from a smaller scale kit. I actually don't think it's the front of a locomotive anyway (see 2 & 3), so this point is sort of moot in my mind. 2) I've looked across the web and in a half dozen or so books on steam locomotives in local bookstores and train model shops. I can't find a single train that has a nose that looks like the part on the X-Wing model. For example, here's a picture of the front of a Japanese D51:  There seems to be very little deviation from this basic look, except in cases where a headlight has been added to the center of the plate. 3) The X-Wing part, though small in diameter, is relatively thick and heavy looking with some chunky surface detail. Again, this does not look like any of the locomotive noses I've seen, such as the D51 nose in the picture above. Again, all I'm saying is that I have no idea where this part came from, but I don't think it's from the front of a 1/50 Japanese steam locomotive kit. It could be another part from an Otaki locomotive kit, or it could be a hubcap from a "Grandpa Munster's Dragula" kit. I just don't know. Frank, do you remember where you heard that this part might have come from a locomotive kit? Millennium Group Mark, you still out there? beaz |
| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (6/19/00 12:37:48 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: ERTL and
Railroad scales
I bet its one of the top hatches. Could also be from a really LARGE tank model. Some of the RCs? Frank Cerney |
| Captain
Cardboard Jedi Knight (6/19/00 2:35:31 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: ERTL and
Railroad scales
Beaz- Sorry. I went back and re-re-read what you wrote. I misunderstood what you were saying. But-- I think I have the mystery partially solved! I just took a long look at that part and one thing struck me. Its something you can't see in photos, unfortunately. At the 'hinge' part of this piece you can see that it is intended to be mounted at an angle. This is hard to explain and I'll see if I can shoot a photo of this tomorrow and post it, but from the angle and the detail on the part itself, I still think it comes from a locomotive, but it is what is known as the 'backhead'. This is the end of the boiler that the cab of the loco is built around and the controls and gauges are mounted on it-- and they are almost always on an angle. If this is the case, then the loco has to be HO scale since (as Beaz was pointing out) it would be too large in 1/50 scale. I'm going to take the part to some friends of mine who run a train store (Whistle Stop in Pasadena) and see if they can shed any light on the subject. I also have a contact in Japan that might be able to help. He's a big train collector and just might know what this part is. I wish I'd have thought of him before! Scott CaptCBoard@AOL.com
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werke Jedi Knight (6/19/00 5:51:31 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Josh's
question and stuff
Hiya, Josh, Capt. C, I haveta say I kind of disagree with Capt. C's assessment of the Ertl (ex-MPC) kit. I don't think it can have been pantographed from an FX model, at least not directly! There are a number of problem areas with the approx. 1/48 kit: 1) The fuselage is too long. 2) the sides of the upper forward fuselage are curved instead of flat. 3) the 'step' of the lower fuselage under the @#%$pit is very exaggerated. 4) the 'spine' or 'keel' of the lower forward fuselage is missing entirely - the kit is *flat*. 5) The @#%$pit canopy is very ordinary! 6) the 'spline' or 'step' in each side of the upper fuselage above the wings is missing. 7) the rear of the fuselage is entirely misshapen! Aaaand there are plenty of minor errors and simplifications. If it was pantographed from McCune's model, then either that model is very different for some reason, or there must have been a further stage in between. Josh if you want to make a decent model from an Ertl kit it's perfectly possible but *will* take a bit of work. I'd start with the largest of the Ertl kits, the big electronic one. It has most of the same faults as the smaller one as it's mostly pantographed up from that (IIRC) but there are some improvements. It's not cheap but definitely a better start. Cheers! Martyn Griffiths
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werke SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/19/00 6:51:09 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Hatch
I think the call about the back of the loco might be a pretty good one. Sure doesn't look like the front of the loco. Didn't someone here have this kit? Another thing that has off-centre hinges on hatches are tanks - many tanks have turret hatches which swing open diagonally - some kits have similar detail inside the hatches, could this be a contender too? Just a thought. Cheers, Martyn
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| Cerney1 Jedi Knight (6/19/00 10:37:54 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Hatch
Martyn. If Capt C says its so..... trust me. Its so. You may not realize this..but Scott has been building models for movies...since 1984. Anyone out there had the opportunity to pcik the brain of THE individual who BUILT the Xwing? For the SW? He has. (with that said Scott.....FIND him again and ask him what the hell that part is) There is a whole story...behind HOW the ERTL Xwing came to life......its lot to type. Scott will correct me if Im wrong....but I believe it was built after the fact with spare parts. To all. Dont get so NIT PICKY regarding..what is correct..and what isnt. There are MANY inconsistancies from one model to the next. Maybe someone finsihing one...broke a part of..so..he repalces it with something else. Or...the casting dont blow up right..so..they remold and shorten it. Stuff like that happened....and none of us where there to witness it. Frank Cerney |
| Flintlock Jedi Knight (6/19/00 12:39:46 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Hatch
...I always thought the smaller 1/48 ERTL kit was quite nice. At least it LOOKS like an X-Wing when you build it up, and there's plenty of room for your own little modifications (notice I didn't say "accurizations") "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] Edited by Flintlock
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| Cerney1 SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/19/00 1:09:04 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Hatch
You all ever see the AOSHIMA XWING, TIE, FALCON and Y WING? GORGEOUS. Frank Frank Cerney |
| beaz Jedi Knight (6/19/00 2:15:50 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Hatch
Scott, You make an excellent point about the backhead. I just went back to my Airfix steam locomotive to have a look-see. Even though the backhead in this kit isn't round, the front half of it is wedge-shaped from the side (sloping outward toward the floor), it would be the right size if it were round, and it has similar looking greeblies on its face, including some gauges at the top. Looking at the one backhead I have, I honestly think we're closer to the real part than we were yesterday. One upside to this is that the HO & 00 scale kits out there are a lot cheaper than those rare Otaki kits & they take up less space in the closet! On the ERTL kits, The original ERTL kit could have been pantographed from original parts and still come out with every inaccuracy Martyn mentions. How? The pantographing step would have been one of the first of the literally dozens of steps necessary to produce an injection molded model kit. There is abundant opportunity for errors to creep in across that entire process. Even so, I agree with Flintlock - it looks enough like an X-Wing for twelve bucks. On Nit-Pickiness, Frank, I'm surprised! Weren't you the guy who built the training remote three different times because you discovered you had used the wrong parts? Aren't you the guy who built the sweet-looking R2 strip sitting on my desk here? Seems like nit-pickiness is what binds us modeling geeks together! Otherwise we wouldn't be participating in the hugest thread in the history of the Replica Props forum!! Seriously, I know what you're getting at, and where you're coming from. Just remember that one man's precision is another man's nit-pickiness. I suppose we each possess our own tolerance level for others' precision/nit-pickiness quotients. The problem is that the dividing line is different for each of us. Hell, I know mine shifts from project to project, depending on my level of interest and the amount of time and energy I have. As far as my X-wing goes, this project is a 20+ year dream in the making for me - I just really want to get it "right," in my eyes. It's important enough to me that I want to make sure I devote the necessary time, patience and energy so that I can be satisfied with the end-result. Maybe it's nit-picky to want to find the "right" kit part, especially when there may be more than one, but it's also a lot of fun, otherwise why bother! beaz |
| Cerney1 SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/20/00 12:18:50 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
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Ok Beaz...you got me..... Frank Cerney |
| N
werke SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/20/00 12:36:04 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
X
accuracy
Aheh-heh. Set the cat among the pigeons again! OK to summarise; 1) Yeah, I know Scott's background - but hearing this or that from an industry pro doesn't mean that it's necessarily so, even if it's true to the best of that person's knowledge. I'm sure Scott would agree! (The movie business being what it is...nobody spends much time in it without collecting some horror stories.)There are often tradeoffs and alterations made in the course of production so as Beaz says, there may have been many inbetween stages. Certainly MPC made some big compromises, and somewhere along the line the kit became rather differently-shaped to the original. I think at least some of them were deliberate - like the curved nose sides - probably because MPC thought the way the sharp edges of the fuselage top near the cokkpit round off towards the nose looked awkward or something. And at the stern, the fuselage is simplified probably just to aid injection casting. 2) It IS good enough for $12 bucks! Sure! I've built three of them myself! It's only not good enough in the context of a forum like this one. I thought. Oops! 3) Nitpicky? Aren't we all???
Cheers! MG
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| Flintlock SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/20/00 1:16:05 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X
accuracy
I thought all the studio models were different by design, let alone all the things that happen in production... It was in mind very early that there would be subtle differences all over the place... am I wrong? The trick is to be nitpicky about the right things... "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| N
werke SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/20/00 4:30:51 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
re X
accuracy
Ron, You're quite right but the differences are in terms of paintwork, astrodroids and minor details like those little triangular plates on the sides of the nose, etc. If the models had to be different in their actual hull shape, it would have required a new master AND new moulds for each one! Making the moulding master is the biggest and hardest part of doing a scratchbuild so that wouldn't have been popular! The stuff I'm warning Josh about is more major proportional and actual shape stuff, not the details. Yes, the MPC/Ertl kit does look decent enough to pass muster, but when you look at it closely, well put it this way, if it was a 1/48 aircraft kit it wouldn't be something you'd be winning many contests with. BTW I did finish my (very basic) fuselage proportions drawings. I decided not to post them here because it sounds as if Beaz's ones will be the definitive set, so I didn't want to put out a competing set that might have minor variations and confuse the hell out of people. However if anyone wants to see what I'm on about I'll email them to you as long as you don't post em. Compare them to the kit and the differences are obvious enough. Contact me off-list if you wanna see em at nipngnwm@q-net.net.au Cheers,
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| stonky
Rogue Jedi (6/20/00 7:54:56 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
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Does anyone have pictures of the AOSHIMA xwing? stonky
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| Cerney1 SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/20/00 10:43:31 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
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I have the kit..Ill shoot some. Frank Cerney |
| Flintlock SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/20/00 11:21:01 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
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That's cool Frank, I'd be interested in some of those pics too. What scale are these Star Wars Aoshima kits? Are they still available? "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| beaz SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/20/00 12:25:50 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: re X
accuracy
Hey, Martyn, Don't hold back on my account! I have no idea when I'm going to be able to finish the drawings I'm working on. If you wanna post yours, please post away! Again, the more the merrier... beaz |
| Cerney1 SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/20/00 12:52:03 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
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FLint 1:72 but...really detailed...very rare..... In fact..I just picked up the Ywing Frank Cerney |
| beaz SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/20/00 2:50:45 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Captain
Cardboard
Hey, Scott, How goes the kit? beaz |
| Flintlock SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/21/00 1:05:21 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Captain
Cardboard
I was at Hobby Lobby and found a US Pak gun, and was looking at the diagrams on the sides and back of the box. The ground stakes on the back of the stabilizing arms look similar, but not entirely correct (were at an angle instead of one flat piece) to the part that goes around the sherman parts on the wing. I didn't get the kit (because I spent $53 on 2 1/20 Race Cars and I can finally start building the ship I am designing), but we should keep our eyes out for these Paks and Howitzers... "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| Captain
Cardboard SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/21/00 11:59:45 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Captain
Cardboard
The kit is going okay. I just encountered an unexpected problem on the Pod project and am having to re-do some production molds on that, so the X is waiting patiently while I do that. I did get some molds made of the engine parts and should have the wing master in rubber this weekend. When I get that done, I'll post some photos here. I'm taking the fuselage pattern to work with me next week to do some bandsaw surgery. This is in preparation for the wing mount. I think I've figured out a way to use 'plugs' to change the wing position and not go into the expense of machining parts for moving wings. If what I have in mind works, you'll be able to change the wing mount so either closed or open position can be changed at will without screwing up the model. Scott CaptCBoard@AOL.com
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| beaz SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/23/00 9:47:16 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Stuff
Scott, Thanks for the update. Looking forward to seeing pics of your kit! Flintlock, We will find that part! I hope...Of course, I've spent enough time looking for that part to have scratchbuilt it ten times over... All, emojo5 did some digging and found an article on the Otaki 1/50 D51 loco kit in a Scale Modeler issue from 1971. Yeah you heard me, 1971! He emailed some scans of the article and asked me to post them here. The following pics are thumbnail links. Just click on each thumb to see the full-size image.     So, what does this tell us? Only that there's no visible evidence in any of these pics of the rear X-Wing part we're looking for. That part may well be hidden from view in the cab, but at least we know for sure that it's not the front plate. I actually scored an Otaki C62 today. I'm pretty sure this kit has also been mentioned as a possible candidate source for the part. I'll let you guys know what I find when the kit arrives. I still think this part comes from a smaller scale kit... Thanks to emojo5 for the detective work! beaz Edited by beaz at:
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| beaz SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/25/00 1:13:05 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Modeleing
Forum?
All, Sorry for cross-posting this in each of the studio-scale threads, but I know not everyone reads them all. Is anyone interested in an ezboard modeling forum outside of the Replica Props forum? The reason I ask is that even though I enjoy the costuming & hardware (sabers & blasters & such) discussions from time to time, my main interest is the modeling talk. Unfortunately, the sheer volume of other prop-related threads tends to drown out the modeling threads. When you throw in the growing number of incredibly lame off-topic threads on the RPF, it's easy to see why the modeling threads, popular as they are, run the risk of falling off the forum on any given day without someone around to bump them back to the top from time to time. If folks would rather keep the modeling talk here in the RPF, that's totally cool with me. I just thought I'd ask to see what you guys think. beaz |
| Dante8
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Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Wow! Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone, I'm going to start wading through the rest of the 33 pages that I haven't been through yet! I'm getting excited about this!
Josh ^Dante^
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| pcmodeler
SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/25/00 3:50:47 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Mind
reader????
Beaz, I've been thinking the same thing for months. Nothing against building costumes or lightsabers but I truly feel that the 1:1 scale guys have some different issues than the 1:whatever have. Let's see a different section for the modeling. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com/
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| Captain
Cardboard SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/25/00 4:12:40 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Modeleing
Forum?
I think having a Studio Scale Models forum would be very appropriate. I do enjoy glancing through the prop and costume topics, but my main purpose in life is models. If reducing the danger of this thread (and the other model threads) dropping off the end of the... Say what does this drop off the end of, anyway? Spool? Table? Bridge? Roof? Hmmmmmm.... Just another of life's mysteries I'll have to solve before croaking. And I had most of them all figured out, too. I was looking forward to spending the rest of my life in peace and tranquility, content in the knowledge that I knew everything. DRAT. (Sorry. The Captain has used just a tad too much zip-kicker today...) Scott CaptCBoard@AOL.com
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| Cerney1 SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/25/00 6:33:21 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Modeleing
Forum?
LETS DO IT!!! Frank Cerney |
| Boba
Flint SwFans.Net Local Poster (6/25/00 9:04:03 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Modeleing
Forum?
It's a good idea. Do it. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Captain
Cardboard SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/26/00 3:04:23 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
My new
logo
Okay. You guys are the first to see it. I've been working on this for a while now-- my new company logo! I don't know the html for adding this as a photo, so I've tagged it to my signature line. Its not a link, but it will be later because I just got CaptainCardboard.com registered!
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| DARKSIDE72
SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/26/00 7:35:51 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
The studio scale model forum.Question:Is there any way to transfer all of the information we have gathered here over the last year? Or do we have to start over from scrat ch.Alot of posts have alot of good information hidden in them.I think it is a great idea.We can cover a wide range of models and never worry about the info being lost.Jamie
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| Macklin SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/26/00 8:15:09 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
I think this is a wonderful idea. It certainly eliminates a lot of upkeep on our part. As far as saving the current information, I'm sure if we're nice to the admins, they'll set all of the threads up in the Archive section (if they haven't already). I'm guessing that if the threads can be transferred to the Archive section, there's a way to move them to a new Studio Scale forum. Of course, this IS EZ-board, so who knows... If none of the above is possible, I've been saving the threads every 50 posts or so and have everything (including images) saved to Word documents on my hard drive. I can always upload them to my website and let you guys download at your leisure.
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| beaz SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/26/00 10:23:34 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Cap'n C, Awesome logo! When does the website open to the adoring public? All, Ok, sounds like folks here are into a separate forum for Star Wars modeling, so far. I have some of the same questions as the rest of you & am hoping we can drag sjanish into the discussion, as he's been a solid contributor to the modeling threads & is also a moderator of the RPF. As I understand it - and Scott (sjanish), correct me if I'm wrong - if we were able to create a modeling subgroup under the swfans.net forum hierarchy, we could completely move the modeling threads there. If so, that would be one obvious benefit of staying within the swfans.net umbrella. Another is the draw of potential new participants from the swfans.net website. On the flipside, we relinquish a lot of control to the swfans.net administrators if we stay in their forum hierarchy. What I mean here is that we could create our own independent ezboard & have much more control over what it looks like & how it works. The downside is, as I understand it, that we probably wouldn't be able to move the existing threads to the new ezboard. We also would be on our own, as far as attracting eyeballs, because we would no longer be linked to by the homepage of a popular website like swfans.net. Of course, that could be a good thing, too...depending on how you look at it! If we were to go with option B ("Solo"), then I think we would at least want to have a way of condensing the relevant information from the existing modeling threads so that we always have an up-to-date online reference on what is known and what is not known, with pictures, kit names, drawings, etc. I too have been archiving these threads to my home machine (& backing them up) in case we ever lose them. But my fear is that the threads themselves have become pretty unwieldy, owing to their sheer size, and a good number of the early posts in the threads are inaccurate in light of more recent information, discoveries, etc. If we did choose to ditch the swfans.net hierarchy, I could, if you guys are into it, condense the meat of each individual modeling thread and create a webpage for each model on my company webspace (I own the company and the webspace, so I don't have to clear it with the boss!) with text & pics illustrating the current state of knowledge about the given subject. If you guys would prefer someone else do this, that's cool, too. But the main point I think, is to have a central reference for this information, outside of the discussion threads which are really, really good for talking about what part from what kit went where, but not so good as general references go. We could also then have links to the archived messages for folks who want to go back through these messages for any reason, and of course a link to the new ezboard forum where we'll still be talking about this or that model. What do you guys think? beaz |
| DARKSIDE72
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Re: Building
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Beaz, you have some interesting ideas there.Something needs to be done.After all we are just scratching the surface as far as star wars models are concerned.There are alot of other models yet to cover and build. I know I wont be content with just building a couple of x-wings and a y-wing.Jamie
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| sjanish
SwFans.Net Moderator (6/26/00 10:45:05 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
As I understand it - and Scott (sjanish), correct me if I'm wrong - if we were able to create a modeling subgroup under the swfans.net forum hierarchy, we could completely move the modeling threads there. If so, that would be one obvious benefit of staying within the swfans.net umbrella. Another is the draw of potential new participants from the swfans.net website. ---------------------------- Yes, if a Studio Scale forum was created in the swfans.net hierarchy we could simply move these threads there. Also, no matter what happens these threads will be archived if/when they become in real danger of falling off the board, ie nobody is interested in posting to them anymore. The only reason it hasn't been done already in this manner is because the Archive forum is read only and I have to move the thread, not copy it. I kind of agree that it could be good to stay with swfans.net because they do get alot of traffic. As far as things like control I don't think the swfans.net guys really restrict that much. The only thing I can think of off hand is the size of your personal picture, which, when you really think about it has no bearing whatsoever the quality of your post. Oh, and of course the naughty word censor which keeps us from typing co.ckpit with out creative little tricks. Another thing to think about is that we will have to persuade them that the new forum is needed and has benefits for them. I don't know how hard this will be. If it does stay with swfans.net I would recommend that one or two people associated with these threads be made a mod in that forum. I don't have time to do it, and quite frankly I am becoming quite disgusted with some of the rubbish here that I can't delete for fear of hurting someone's feelings...I think everybody in these threads does great, but...forcing self to climb down form soapbox, sorry. In the new forum I would make one suggestion. State at the very beginning that OT stuff will not be tolerated, and when it is posted it will be moved to an appropriate place or whacked altogether. Set the precedent early and enforce the rules. It will save you lots of headaches in the future. I think that addresses the main questions asked of me and some of my own ideas as well. If there is anything else, post it or email it to me.
Scott |
| Treadwell
SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/26/00 11:44:59 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
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My only concern is that vital information would be spread out over many threads, most of which would eventually die. At least on this mega-thread it's one-stop shopping. But I guess the "gooduns" could be archived....
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| beaz SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/26/00 3:03:47 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
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Treadwell, You make a good point - this is one reason why I personally would prefer to keep the threads going as is by making the new forum a part of the swfans.net hierarchy and moving the old threads over. This way everything works just as it does now, only without having to dig through all the other prop & off-topic threads. Scott, Thanks for adding your two cents here. I especially like the idea of stating up front that off-topic posts are unwelcome. All, I raised the issue of moving out of the swfans.net ezboard hierarchy because there is a possibility that the admins wouldn't want to add a seperate modeling subgroup. If we decide to bail on the RPF & the swfans.net folks don't want to create a new forum for us, we'd be able to write out c0ckpit correctly in a new ezboard forum, but it'll be extra work to maintain continuity with the old threads. So I guess the question boils down to the following. Do we want to: a) stay right where we are b) ask the swfans.net admins to create a new modeling forum for us c) create our own ezboard beaz |
| Cerney1 SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/26/00 3:06:06 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
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create own E Z Board. is my vote Frank Cerney |
| sjanish
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Re: Building
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I tend towards b. It would allow us to move the current threads over and keep all of the information. Not only that, but swfans.net gets bookoos of traffic. If we want new blood to continue to come in it is good to have lots of traffic. If the admins don't want to create a new forum for us I say someone create a new ezboard. To do this I would suggest we: - choose one person to do it, someone we trust and know so there isn't 2 or 3 new boards that create confusion and possibly hurt feelings. Right now I would vote for beaz as he seems to be the champion of this cause. - Like I said above, in either case(new forum or new ezboard) from the beginning make it known that OT rubbish will not be tolerated. We don't want it to become watered down like this board has...call me a prop snob if you must, but I like to talk PROPS on a PROP board. - As a mod here I will archive the 3 current studio scale threads. That way they will be saved for reference and we can always go check them or refer to them to create a new website/thread that accesses the information.
Scott |
| Boba
Flint SwFans.Net Local Poster (6/26/00 5:08:21 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
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I say try option B first. If that doesn't work then go with option C. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| EchoLeader
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Re: Building
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I second Scotts reply. I'd go with B. first, then if that doesn't work I'd go for C. I would love to participate in a modeling forum. The informating that's been discussed within the three threads are invaluble and of great resource. A perfect example is my Tie Bomber, I could have never even begun that project if it weren't for the information shared in that thread. I'd hate for a resource of this magnitude to go by the wayside, after all, there's so many different studio models I want to do from the Star Wars saga. My 2 centavos, RG
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| Macklin SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/26/00 11:09:11 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
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I agree with Boba Flint; B, then C.
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werke SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/27/00 12:01:41 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Forum
Option B then Option C. Agree with Beaz and Scott, no OT. (Probably been guilty of it myself but yeh let's can it now, while we can.) Reckon a 'purified' archive w/only up to date info and current, unanswered questions would be a damn fine idea. Cheers, Martyn
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| beaz SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/27/00 8:49:20 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Forum
All, Ok. We haven't heard from all the regulars just yet, but it looks like we've got some critical mass here. When I get a minute or two later today, I'll start a thread to get the attention of the swfans.net forum admins in the Communications forum. Then I'll post a message here encouraging folks to add their two cents on the topic in that thread. Then we'll wait to see what kind of response we get. beaz |
| beaz SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/27/00 1:21:27 pm) Reply | Edit | Del  |
Request:
Studio-Scale Modeling Forum
Ok, guys, I've posted the request in a new thread in the "Communications" forum off of the swfans.net forums index page. When you get a minute, please check it out and then add a message of support there by replying to my initial message. Keep your fingers crossed, beaz |
| EchoLeader
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Re: Request:
Studio-Scale Modeling Forum
Well, I added my 2 centavos to the request. I hope others also take the time in doing so, I feel that our efforts will be well rewarded. RG
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| kaiburr Rogue Jedi (6/28/00 2:49:34 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
New
Forum
I think this is a brilliant idea! I vote for the "b" choice to effectively archive our initial posts. Let's keep everyone informed (including me, huh?) of its inception. nathan nkhyber@aol.com
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| beaz SwFans.Net Global Poster (6/29/00 7:46:04 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: New
Forum
kaiburr, Am I mistaken, or are you not the man who started all of this studio scale talk in the first place? I suppose we each owe you a bit o' tanks. Tanks! All, Got the Otaki 1/50 C62 today. Really, really cool model, but it doesn't have what we're looking for. I've shifted the focus of my search to this rear hatch part. I figure I can easily scratch everthing else that we're missing, so I really just want this part at the moment. I'm keeping my eyes open for steam locomotive kits that might fit the bill. We will find this part! beaz |
| kaiburr SwFans.Net Local Poster (7/2/00 1:49:03 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Localmotion
Yes Beaz, it was I but no thanks is in order. I'm just happy this and my Y-Wing thread remain so popular and informative. It keeps the blood flowing, huh? On the train part, I'm glad this is recieving your full attention. What did Frank use for this bit in the kit? Icons detail, or scratchbuilt? Frank, you listening? This smallish presumably Japanese X-Wing kit you're all referring to... how do I get one? Nathan
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| kaiburr Registered User (7/4/00 6:23:25 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
intakes
Cam, Out of curiosity, were you ever going to offer up casts of those intakes you did a while back? Nathan
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| Cerney1 Registered User (7/4/00 6:46:11 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Localmotion
I sent people castings of the part I was given by a friend. I think its an ICONS recast... I dont know anything else about the train. Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr SwFans.Net Poster (7/9/00 7:33:58 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
the
train
Well just to clarify things, the piece in question is definately a locomotive part (H/O scale) and comes from a steam engine. It is not located on the top or front but in the rear of the engine where the engineer sits. The top details are pressure guages with levers underneath... and the bottom detail is the sliding doors for coals and ash deposits. I will be visiting my local train guru sometime this week to see if he can determine the model... most likely a Tyco. By the way, is anyone planning to cast the Hummel parts for the rear... I NEED THESE!!! I'd prefer not to have to scratch build if at all possible. OR if anyone would like me to cast them up for themselves and other board members, I'm game. Nathan
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| beaz SwFans.Net Poster (7/9/00 7:56:49 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: the
train
kaiburr, Captain Cardboard actually suggested that what we should be looking for is a locomotive "backhead" (the very area you describe) a few pages back & that's what I've been looking for ever since. Which kit is anybody's guess. I think a consultation with your local train guru is an excellent idea. Let us know what you find out. As for Tyco, did they ever actually make model kits? I thought their forte was the pre-assembled stuff. beaz |
| kaiburr SwFans.Net Poster (7/9/00 11:27:44 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: the
train
Beaz, As far as train models go, I am not sure this is a "model" per se. It may well be of the metal variety, simply unscrewed from the rest of the train. Either way, I'll let you all know what I find. About that Hummel... Nathan
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| cking SwFans.Net Poster (7/10/00 4:44:47 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Captain
Cardboard
Hi guys, I'm a newbie here - I don't want to waste your time so I'll make it quick! I currently have the ICONS X-Wing but I'm VERY dissapointed with it. I've been trying to contact Captain Cardboard about his kit that is due for release soon. I do not have the skill to scratch build or do an "ILM" style paint job, so I'd like to get Captain Cardboard's kit but he hasn't returned any e-mails. Am I too late for ordering the kit? Does anyone know if he is out of town? Thanks for your help and keep up the good work - I'm amazed by the talent and attention to detail you guys are showing! Chris King. christopher.king2@virgin.net
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| beaz SwFans.Net Poster (7/10/00 8:22:30 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: the
train
kaiburr, You may be right about the train - who knows. I'm kinda working under the assumption (possibly incorrect) that the ILMers would've bought kits with lots of unattached, unpainted parts instead of pre-assembled, pre-painted (and generally more expensive) models with fewer parts that would have to be disassembled to be of any use. Just a hunch, but it's why I'm looking for plastic train kits of the mid-seventies, of which there seem to be quite a few!
As for the Hummel parts, I'll be casting them as soon as I'm done working on my basement shop. Stay tuned... beaz |
| beaz SwFans.Net Poster (7/10/00 8:26:24 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Captain
Cardboard
cking, As far as I know, Captain C is still working on the kit, so no I don't think you're too late. He seems to drop in around these parts once a week or so, so keep your eyes peeled. beaz |
| Cerney1 SwFans.Net Poster (7/10/00 1:54:11 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Captain
Cardboard
How about some pics....you think after THIS many posts..we would have some IN WORK pics. Frank Cerney |
| beaz SwFans.Net Poster (7/10/00 9:25:20 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Progress
Pics
Ok, Frank, here I am in my new basement shop: My wife absolutely hates the new beard... beaz |
| kaiburr SwFans.Net Poster (7/12/00 4:03:32 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Loco
Hunt
Well... here's the bad news. I went to the train guru today to look at a potential Monogram snap-fit plastic train kit he had only to find it had the wrong "backhead" part. Then as I was about to leave, someone brought in the entire boxed collection of Monogram train kits (only six were produced) and none of them had the piece in question! SOOO... I suppose this could've been an Airfix or some other company, but Monogram is out. OR it's from an electric set. In any case, the detail is quite simplified and could even be a toy for that matter (though it's unlikely). As I already have a casting in Frank's kit, it might be a redundant quest, but it'd be nice to have recipes for all these Star Wars ships. I think I'll move on now to other more pressing tasks! By the way, Beaz, nice photo. It's interesting to find out after all these years that there IS a Charles Manson/ILM connection... Nathan
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| beaz SwFans.Net Poster (7/12/00 1:54:43 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Loco
Hunt
kaiburr, Bad news is good news. One thing I've come to accept during my personal quest for greeblies is that there is an upside to buying kits that absolutely, positively do not contribute a single recognizable part: I know which kits not to buy! Of course, I've already bought them... Seriously, if I can't find the right train part, I'll at least have a dozen or so "close-buit-no-cigar" parts I can use on my X-Wing. The Monogram, Revell and Otaki kits I've looked at so far are actually too crisp, I think, to be the right ones. As you said yourself, the part the ILM guys (see McCune, Grant above) is pretty rough. This is why the main focus of my search are some earlier (50's/60's) steam engine kits which are a bit chunkier in detail. I'll keep looking 'til I find the part, or give up. If/when I do find it, you guys will be the first to know. One extra point, if/when we find this train part, I think there's a decent chance we might also find the rectangular doohickey with rivets that appears on either side of each wing. After combing through five different loco kits already, I've noticed how much the bumpers on these things resemble that part on the X-Wing. We'll see... If I just can't find the dern thing, maybe I can work out a trade w/Frank for a copy of the casting he's got (I know, I know, Frank - you aint casting sh!t!
)
beaz |
| Cerney1 SwFans.Net Poster (7/12/00 6:36:15 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Loco
Hunt
:-) nope. Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr SwFans.Net Poster (7/12/00 10:31:30 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Possible
part lead
Beaz, it's a good thing I didn't order the damn things only to be sorely dissapointed. I hope no one has covered this but the twin greeblies above the sherman turret bit that look like pumps may have been a part found on aquatic all-terrain armour models. I will post a shot soon if no one still has a clue on this one. I found a couple of miscellaneous shapes in my random parts box that are quite similar to the right shape and may have been used for this detail... unfortunately no camera to show y'all. I have molded it however! Beaz or anyone... tradezies for those hummel pieces???
Nathan
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| Captain
Cardboard SwFans.Net Poster (7/13/00 12:25:23 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Back from
HECK...
Hi gang. I've been away. I had a 3-day Action Figure convention to attend to (I am a dealer...) and a job that just wouldn't go away. In fact, I'm still on it, but it will be finished tomorrow. It will be finished tomorrow... it will be finished tomorrow... Progress on the X-wing has continued though. I should be picking up the wing patterns this weekend. That just leaves the lasercannons and I have those parts already. I'll have some photos to share next week. I talked with my train-head buddies and they just scratched their heads over the 'backhead' part. They think that's what it is, but can't figure out what it belongs to. I told them it was from the 70's and they rolled their eyes. One guy wasn't into trains at that time and the other wasn't born. Oh, well... Scott CaptCBoard@AOL.com
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| DARKSIDE72
SwFans.Net Poster (7/13/00 8:09:20 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Possible
part lead
Nathan, those are two tops off of the saturnV main engines. Jamie
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| Flintlock SwFans.Net Poster (7/13/00 12:46:11 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Possible
part lead
Kaiburr, I thought those double pump things were cut from the Saturn V Engine... "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| kaiburr SwFans.Net Poster (7/13/00 8:50:36 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Ouch
Right under my FRIGGING NOSE!!! You guys rule. Somebody punch me. I'm inept. What about that spanner/wrench looking thingy? Nathan
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| beaz SwFans.Net Poster (7/17/00 11:23:36 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
The Rear
"Hatch" Part
All, Anybody seen this before? 
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| kitbasher SwFans.Net Poster (7/17/00 11:37:23 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
X-wing Rear
Hatch REVEALED!
Hello all: Kitbasher returns from deep carbonite sleep with yet another part revelation: The X-wing rear hatch is from the Airfix HO scale Schools Class Harrow locomotive kit. This kit has long been out of production and is very hard to find. One can also use the same kit from Rosebud Kitmaster or Craftmaster, as these are essentially the same kit with insignificant differences. The Harrow is best described as a "Holy Grail" kit of Star Wars kitbashing: Parts of it are on the Blockade Runner, the 5' Falcon, the Y-wing, the 8' Star Destroyer etc. etc. Happy hunting all, till next time 'Basher
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| Tony
Agustin SwFans.Net Poster (7/18/00 1:22:18 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
Rear Hatch REVEALED!
I'm just a lurker but Thank God! The mystery is solved. That identification of that rear hatch has been like an itch that wont go away. I'm not building an Xwing but just seeing what you guys are doing is inspiring to me.
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| Captain
Cardboard SwFans.Net Poster (7/18/00 1:26:25 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
Rear Hatch REVEALED!
At LAST!!! How on earth did you find it!! Scott CaptCBoard@AOL.com
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| kaiburr SwFans.Net Poster (7/18/00 2:14:43 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
Rear Hatch REVEALED!
WOO HOO! Now I can sleep! How in the hell...? Cardboard, how's that fuselage coming? Nathan
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| beaz SwFans.Net Poster (7/18/00 7:20:46 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
Rear Hatch REVEALED!
Guys, kitbasher beat me to the punchline I was saving for this morning, but I did manage to post the pics of the correct part a mere 14 minutes beforehand. After six long months of hashing out the possibilities, that's one heck of a coincidence! kitbasher is, of course, correct: Airfix Schools Class "Harrow" - a 70's era Airfix re-release of an old (late 50's early 60's) Rosebud "Kitmaster" model kit. Personally, finding this part was definitely a group effort. Kudos to Frank Cerney for saying all along that he thought it came from a train kit, and to Scott (Cap'n C) for guessing (correctly, it turns out) that the part in question was the backhead from a steam locomotive. Thanks to everybody else who posted suggestions & speculation along the way. From there it was just a matter of consulting the old catalogs I've accrued & acquiring steam engine kits from the period. Even though the kit in question only set me back $12, I spent a good bit more than that on steam locos to find the one with this part. It sure made my day, though! beaz |
| Boba
Flint SwFans.Net Poster (7/18/00 9:25:21 am) Reply | Edit | Del .jpg) |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
:::::: On knees bowing:::::: We're not worthy, we're not worthy...... Gus it turns out that this week is IPMS/USA's National convention, and it's here in Dallas. Anyone want to guess what kit I'll be looking for? "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| Cerney1 SwFans.Net Poster (7/18/00 11:41:02 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
Rear Hatch REVEALED!
Beaz.....if you find another..let me know. I want the kit to go through it to look for MF items. Frank Frank Cerney |
| emojo5 SwFans.Net Poster (7/18/00 11:59:28 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Train
kit.
Beaz. Details, PLEASE! Where did you find it? Do you have a scan of the box top? Did you get it on ebay?, in a hobby shop?, train shop? I've called around, but no ones heard of this kit. I know "kitbasher" said it's rare kit, so where did you find it? -emojo5
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| beaz SwFans.Net Poster (7/18/00 2:55:40 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Train
kit.
Guys, I found my copy of the Harrow on eBay. There were essentially seven Airfix loco kits available in '75-'76. I had collected two of them already when I came across a guy in England selling off another three on eBay. Actually he had two of each of the three (if I only knew). I bought one of each for about twelve bucks a pop and had him ship them to me in one box. Important: these were unassembled Airfix model train kits - Airfix also had a line of pre-assembled, pre-painted, functioning electric locos, many of which were the same types as those of their model kit line. Don't buy the toys, buy the model kits. My old Harrow kit box looks like this:  Kit Series 4, Code Number 04652-7 I also have the Airfix Saddle Tank, which is a tiny yard loco. A little birdy tells me this was also used on the 5 foot Falcon, along with the Airfix "Stephenson's Rocket" kit, which is a model of a very early British steam engine, and which I don't yet have. All of these kits are 00/HO. I can understand why these would be hard to find. Train enthusiasts like functioning models in general, and static model enthusiasts don't much like trains, in general. As far as I know these were last released in the early seventies. Your best bet is to find someone cleaning out the attic on eBay. This is how I stumbled across mine. Here's the URL for the search I used to track these kits down: eBay Airfix/Kitmaster Train Kit Search beaz Edited by beaz
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| N
werke SwFans.Net Poster (7/19/00 10:01:35 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
My
HEROES!!!!!!
Nuff said. Cheers! Martyn
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| Boba
Flint SwFans.Net Poster (7/20/00 9:22:11 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
cult of the
Harrow
Guys I got back from the IPMS (International Plastic Modelers Society)international convention. This is supposed to be the biggest show ever. What a dissapointment. NO Airfix Harriers, Tamiya Jagdtigers none of the stuff we need. Most of the stuff is current kits. However I did learn something. I went to almost every table and showed them a print out of the OO scale Harrow engine. I was finally pointed out to an elderly man that writes books on the collectability of modelkits. He tells me that the train kits by Airfix/ Kitmaster are probably the hardest of all models to find. There is a club that does nothing but search out these kits ( one of thier favorites is the Harrow)and store them away. They don't build them they just collect them. And most of these collectors are in England. These kits are very precious in the model collecting world. Beaz you got the steal of the century. According to the man I talked to they go for a minimum of $80 and just go up in price from there. Ofcourse that doesn't mean we will give up the search to own one ourselves.
"Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| kaiburr SwFans.Net Poster (7/21/00 9:06:31 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: cult of
the Harrow
Well if what the old man said is true, that's quite a drag for us. On the upnote, if Beaz decides to cast his piece, then we're all at least eighty dollars richer (minus his fee, of course). And, Beaz, if you send it my way I'll cast it and return it to you with half a dozen bubble free resin clones to do what you may with. Just a thought! Oh, then there's still the matter of those Hummel parts...
Nathan
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| beaz SwFans.Net Poster (7/21/00 9:15:44 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: cult of
the Harrow
Boba Flint, guys, Don't despair. If these things are really as rare as all that, I'll make extra castings of the parts I've got. I probably ought to take pics of the sprues to help identify parts that were used on the other models kitbasher mentioned. The bag was still sealed, so I'm pretty sure I have all the parts. Keep in mind, though, that most people's ideas on which model kits are rare and which aren't were formed well before the rise of eBay. Fact is, most "rare" kits were never all that rare, it was just very difficult for interested buyers to find willing sellers. eBay has almost eliminated that communication barrier in the last few years, and a lot of folks have'nt caught on that this is so. Like I said, the guy I bought mine from was selling two & both sold for about twelve bucks. Also, of the seven Airfix loco kits, I own five after only five or six weeks of looking for them - and I actually passed on the other two just to wait and see what the last shipment brought. These kits can be found! Keep yer chin up, beaz |
| Treadwell
SwFans.Net Poster (7/21/00 3:00:40 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: cult of
the Harrow
Dat's some good huntin', guys! Way to go!!
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| kaiburr SwFans.Net Poster (7/22/00 4:29:02 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: @#%$ (can
I say that?)
If anyone is interested, I have been working on a resin plug additional @#%$ pit that will fall into the Maxi fuselage and match the full-scale X-Wing dash much better than the ILM studio model did (As it was constructed at different time and without coordination). This should satisfy anyone attempting to build the "ultimate" X-Wing as opposed to merely the studio-scale archival model. I've always felt this area could be made better. The prototype I had on it looked cool and I'm now bettering the angles. I will also be selling an improved R2 (full body) and perhaps an R5 as well (for Y-Wing enthusiasts) .I will keep you all posted on the finishing touches. Anyone interested? Nathan
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| beaz SwFans.Net Poster (7/22/00 9:52:57 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: @#%$ (can
I say that?)
kaiburr, Sign me up, homey! For the c0ckpit & the astromechs. Let's see some pics... beaz Edited by beaz
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| beaz SwFans.Net Poster (7/22/00 10:19:12 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
More
Parts
Guys, Well, we've just about covered all the major greeblies for the X on this thread. As far as I know, there is no better public source of information on the X-Wing models anywhere in the world than this forum, right here. Even so, we've got more work to do! Here's some pics of what we're still looking for: Wing Greeblie, AOSW View  Wing Greeblie, Frank's Casting Wing Greeblie/Rear Engine Mount  Rear Wing Greeblie, Shaded Blue  Rear Gun Wheel  kitbasher:I think I speak for everybody when I say that we would be eternally grateful if you would share any info you have on these parts before we wrack our brains tracking them down ourselves! If you don't want to tell us outright, then how about a clue or two to steer us in the right direction. Please, please, please...Guys, what do we know? beaz |
| kaiburr SwFans.Net Poster (7/23/00 3:16:29 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: More
Parts
Beaz, we are so near the end on this thing. Keep grovelling the Kitbasher! But until we know for certain, here are my best guesses.The "rear engine mount" greebly really appears to be a 1/700 battleship gun of some sort and the greebly shaded in blue could concievably be a traction skid for one of those aquatic tanks I keep going on about. I'll try and get a more specific name on it. It was a WWII vehicle that basically had a series of claws on it for beach landings (ala Private Ryan). Any other guesses? Oh, and I'll get yall some co ckpit photos as it unfolds! Nathan nkhyber@aol.com
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| kitbasher SwFans.Net Poster (7/24/00 9:10:48 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
X-wing
parts
To Beaz and everyone "No there is another..." Yes, yet another part that needs to be found on the X-wing, and I must confess I have not been able to find it... not only that, the part is on the big Falcon as well which I am building so I WANT this part. The part I speak of is directly under each of the laser cannons on the X-wing, and it's somewhat hidden so unless you have a casting or an ICONS X-wing, you wouldn't even notice it's there:   I have tried in vain to ID this part for 2 years and still don't have even one lead. If you find this part, YOU WILL BE REWARDED... trust me on that one! 'BASHER
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| UKWookie SwFans.Net Poster (7/25/00 1:14:12 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Train
Kits
A new visitor to the board comes out of lurk mode... Ahem, maybe I can be of assistance re: the Harrow and Stephenson's Rocket kits. When Airfix stopped producing their railway kits the moulds were sold to a company in Wales called Dapol. Guess what, guys? Dapol have a website at dapol.co.uk where the Harrow kit is on sale for 7.19 UKPounds, Stephenson's Rocket for 4.29 UKP. Minimum order is 10 UKP but they ship internationally. They have online ordering but it's an unsecure server so contact fax details are on the web site also. Beats paying over the odds on Ebay!
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| pcmodeler
SwFans.Net Poster (7/25/00 1:24:30 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Bashers
part
Man, that sure looks like part of the rear deck from a 1/72 or 1/76 scale tank. Looks like it might possibly be a Russian light tank but I'm not sure. Mark F. http://www.pcmodeler.com/
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| Boba
Flint SwFans.Net Poster (7/25/00 5:44:34 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Bashers
part
Thanks for the info UK Wookie. Guys I visited the website and sure enough they have the Harrow. I'm going to order a couple. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| kitbasher SwFans.Net Poster (7/25/00 7:10:50 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Stephensons
Rocket kit
Guys.. don't waste your time or money on the Stephenson's Rocket kit... I have it, and it has NO PARTS for the X-wing, Y-wing, Falcon etc... it's a neat little kit but worthless for our purposes as far as I can tell.. 'Basher
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| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (7/25/00 9:36:44 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Stuff
kitbasher, Gonna make us earn our dinner, huh? Ok - we all need this part, right? So what do we have, a couple hinges a couple vents, possibly a gun breech, or an exhaust port, 'bout an inch long. I agree with pcmodeler - 1/7X tank, rear deck engine area, american, british or soviet. I've combed through the six Airfix & five Hasegawa kits I have in the closet - no dice. What say the treadheads out there? Any ideas, emojo5? UKWookie, Welcome aboard! Excellent, excellent work, man! See guys, I told you these things could be had. Just ordered another one myself, so I can go ahead & modify the one I have for casting. Thanks again, UK! kitbasher, Thanks for the heads up on the Rocket. beaz |
| emojo5 SwFans.Net Poster (7/27/00 11:20:52 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
< TD vAlign=top align=left>Re:
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| N
werke SwFans.Net Poster (7/27/00 11:55:14 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Kitbasher's
part
Hi guys, You know what that looks like to me? Part of the side of the Ticonderoga's hull. Those 'vents' look just like the big roll-up doors along the sides of the hull. Of course this doesn't account for the 'block' in the middle, or the hinges. I'm probably wrong, I'm at work and can't check right now. Thought it might be worth mentioning in case anyone can confim or disprove it. Good luck finding it, anyway, KB! Cheers! Martyn Griffiths
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| Cerney1 SwFans.Net Poster (7/28/00 10:12:41 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Kitbasher's part
HOLY CRAP!! He might be onto something...they look like the HELO HANGERS on a small DESTROYER!!!! Frank Cerney |
| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (7/28/00 11:39:06 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
Kitbasher's part
Well, it's not from the Ticonderoga - just checked. Those vent-like thingys do look exactly like the doors on that kit though & I'm guessing they're about the same size too. Hmmmm... beaz |
| kitbasher SwFans.Net Poster (7/28/00 6:52:48 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
mystery
part
Guys, great to have everyone hunting for the mystery part I pictured b4... and I agree that the "louvered doors" are similar to carrier hangar doors; BUT-- the hinges above each door appear FAR TOO LARGE in scale to be from any type of small scale ship. My guess is it's maybe an interior part from an aircraft kit of some sort, or PERHAPS from an armor kit. However, despite an extensive search of armor kits, I have yet to find this sucker. It could be that it's from some obscure armored vehicle, but certainly not from any of the typical german, US, british vehicles (say made by Tamiya). 'Basher
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| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (7/28/00 8:49:15 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: mystery
part
kitbasher, I asked some treadheads in the Track-Link newsgroups if they had any guesses on this part. One guy said: "It looks like it may be a part of an interior. Perhaps the crew compartment side of a firewall on an open topped vehicle. Is this part 1/35 scale? It looks like it may be a 1/48 scale part from the Bandai/Fuman series of tank models." How many of the Bandai kits do you have? beaz |
| kitbasher SwFans.Net Poster (7/28/00 9:09:16 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
mystery
part
Beaz I've had/have nearly all the Bandai/Fuman kits in that scale, except for a few of the rare British armored vehicles like the Daimler Mk II and I think a personnel carrier type vehicle. Otherwise I can say without reservation that it ain't from any of Bandai's German, Russian, or US AFV kits.... But yeah, I agree that it could be an interior part of some sort which would explain why no one recognizes it. 'Basher
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| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (7/28/00 10:34:28 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: mystery
part
I hear you 'basher. Ya know, some of the other things this part remind me of are: 1) WWII A/C rudder pedals - yeah, I realize it's molded as one peice, but kit manufacturers often "approximated" when they sculpted the stuff you couldn't see very well, especially in the '60s & '70s. 2) WWII A/C c0ckpit floor/skid plate. Essentially, this is where a pilot's feet would be when they weren't on the rudder pedals - on the floor just in front of the seat. That box with the hole in the middle would then be where the joystick meets the floor. The box looks too big to me, though, so I doubt this is what it might be. Either way, scale would be 1/48, I think. Thing is, I keep seeing those "hinges" and I have a hard time imagining this being anything other than a tank part. Just thinkin' out loud, beaz |
| Captain
Cardboard SwFans.Net Poster (7/29/00 4:15:39 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: mystery
part
I just measured the part in question and the other part we can't find-- the flat plate with rivets on the top and bottom of each wing. They are the same length, so I'm guessing when we find one, we'll find the other. Scott CaptCBoard@AOL.com
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| Boba
Flint SwFans.Net Poster (8/1/00 5:29:21 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
I got the 2 Harrows I ordered from Dapol today. Interesting little kit. Again thanks to Beaz for finding the correct kit and to UK Wookiee for telling us about Dapol. I don't see anythingthat jumps out at me as being used on the Y-Wing but I think I see something that is used on the Tie. "Learn not...live not, my master always says." |
| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (8/4/00 10:19:35 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Guys, Like Boba Flint, I got my Dapol Harrow a few days ago, too. Less than a week from the UK straight to my mailbox! I compared the Dapol kit of today to the Airfix kit of thirty years ago & I must say that the molds are holding up quite well! There is a bit of extra flash around the sprue trees, but the Dapol parts are no less crisp than the originals. The X rear-hatch part is identical, except for the color of styrene used (Dapol's is light gray whereas the Airfix kit is dark green, not that it matters). Order with confidence. I also bought Gary's Icons X-Wing off of him & received it this morning (thanks, Gary!). I'm carefully studying this model & comparing profiles & measurements to my photo references, my incomplete drawings, and the Estes Maxi-Brute. I tried to hold off buying the Icons model, but photographs only take one so far when doing work like this. Flawed as it is, the Icons model is still the best reference out there, short of owning an original model (as if...). I hope to triangulate some definitive measurements, taking into account the amount of generation-shrinkage in the Icons model, so that my final plans are as accurate as possible. From these plans, I'll be building up my fuselage masters from scratch, top half and bottom half, using the old styrene base & bulkhead technique. This master will form the basis of my hollow-cast fuselage, coming soon...well, coming sooner or later... beaz |
| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (8/6/00 9:11:49 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Guys, I've managed to disassemble the fuselage components of my Icons X-Wing. Found the following inscribed on the back of the R2 strip: Retooling Max Cervantes & Dave Heilman Mold detailing, inject mold design Al. Z - 96 TM & Copyright 1996 Lucasfilm Ltd. All Rights Reserved Frank, Tim, anybody know any of these guys? The reason I ask is that it looks to me like they might have used some original kit parts on the wings they designed. Some parts that we're still looking for... beaz |
| Cerney1 SwFans.Net Poster (8/7/00 11:31:54 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
I know them....but they are hard to find. Ill see what they can tell us. I got a train..thanks Beaz..your search did it. cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayI...=395523469 Frank Frank Cerney |
| kaiburr SwFans.Net Poster (8/8/00 3:44:28 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
builders, I knew Al Zequira also. Very difficult to locate at present. Perhaps he's listed in the book! Cool guy, but a bit bitter about the silliness of Icons and the LFL dealings. He is still doing garage kit models but I've no idea where. Probably somewhere in the Valley... Nathan
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| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (8/10/00 12:09:47 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Guys, This is longer than usual. I think I might've actually scored something significant in the quest for the perfect X & I want your opinions. I've been watching X-Wing stuff on eBay like a hawk for more than a year now, but when I came across this picture in an auction from a few weeks ago I had a gut-feeling this could actually be something good (as opposed to all the crap out there):  This was being sold by Monsters In Motion, a solid company that I've dealt with before, and part of their caption read as follows: "THIS IS A ICONS PROTOTYPE MODEL OF THE STUDIO SCALE XWINGFIGHTER THAT SOLD FOR OVER $1000 THIS ONE WAS OWED TO AN EMPLOYEE FOR LABOR AND WAS GIVEN TO US ON A TRADE." My first reaction was along the lines of "Yeah, right...likely story!" I mean, how many times does somebody try to pawn something off as a "prototype" on eBay? Every minute right? But then I spent some time studying this picture. The thing that struck me as odd about this "prototype" was that it was incomplete. Just two wings, one forward engine, two rear engines, two main gun sections. And then lots of goofy stuff, like the Kenner Luke cut in half, and the jockey figure at the bottom of the picture, and a few other random blobs I couldn't pick out. At first I thought, "who would buy this crap - it isn't even complete! And what the hell is the jockey for?" But then I realized that if this was in fact a prototype, it wouldn't necessarily be complete. What if there are only two wings 'cause all you need to cast a complete X are two wing masters. What if there's only one forward engine 'cause all you need is one forward engine master, etc., etc. So I bought it. I got the box Monday afternoon, in fact. I was sure I was going to be disappointed, probably just some lousy recast junk, right? Nope. If I had to guess what this is, after three days of fondling the stuff in this box here's my guess: Conventional wisdom/legend has it that Icons used a reconstructed pyro model from the Lucasfilm Archives to build their X-Wing master. They molded it, cast it, cleaned up the casting, and used that re-worked casting as the master for their X. This is how their final product supposedly lost an inch in length, thanks to generational shrinkage. I could be wrong, but I'm almost certain that the fuselage, wings & engines I got were pulled from that first round of molds, and that the MIM guys weren't pulling my leg - this is an Icons prototype. Why do I think that? 1) The parts I got are bigger than their counterparts on the Icons X. The fuselage itself is around 2% longer, and from 2% to 10% bulkier than the Icons X, measured from top to bottom, side to side in key locations along both. The wings & rear engine parts are also larger than the Icons X. The "prototype" is also missing the big a$$ hole in the bottom & the ugly Lucasfilm trademark plate at the bottom rear. This is obviously not a recast of the Icons X. Click here to see a comparison pic of the fuselages. 2) The dark blue/black castings are relatively clean. The fuselage is in good enough shape to use as is (not that I would consider it!). This is not some amateur's recast. 3) The fuselage, engines & wings are covered with clay residue & bits of RTV. This particular copy was popular. 4) Where the Icons X has very wide, deep panel lines, the prototype has t hin shallow ones. Most, but not all, of the lines in the Icons X are in the same positions as on the "prototype." 5) The R2 strip & c0ckpit of the "prototype" are cast into the fuselage as one piece, and neither has been cleaned up yet - both are very rough. The R2 strip here is without a doubt the one Icons cleaned up, by replacing certain greeblies with parts that were close, but not exact, and by modifying others. There are still dents and dings in the "prototype" R2 strip however that show up in exactly the same places on the Icons X strip. Ditto the c0ckpit. 6) The wings I got with the prototype are straight as boards, with neither warping nor dishing. Unlike the fuselage & engines, which are smooth, it looks like they might've used some old resin to cast the wings, as there's evidence of slight foaming on the surface of both. I know it when I see it. The recesses on the undersides of the wings are deeper on the "prototype" but the detail is the same. They may have been rasied in the final Icons X to make demolding go more smoothly. 7) The R2 that came with the "prototype" is not R2D2. After staring at it for a while I realized I'd seen it before. It's the same R2 that sits in the Red One pics in Star Wars Chronicles (SWC). Here's a pic of the "prototype" R2 on the left next to the Icons X R2D2 on the right. The R2 in the middle is from SWC:  8) I have a theory on the Kenner Luke & jockey figure. The Icons guys created a new Luke for their X. If you look at Icons' Luke head, it's the Kenner Luke head - they recast it! Bootleggers! As for the jockey? Well, the Icons Luke body is a pretty lame sculpt that doesn't really match the head in terms of quality. The Kenner Luke just didn't fit into the c0ckpit (they did try by cutting him in half, though!). I think the seated jockey figure in my "prototype" box was simply used as a reference model for the guy who sculpted Luke's body - with his arms bent in the same position and everything. There is simply no other reason for this figure to be here, as far as I can tell. There's plenty more, but you get the picture. I just have this vision of someone who did some work for Icons running around stomping mad about not getting paid, so Jim Latta dumped the contents of the "X-Wing" drawer into a box & said "here, take this." Somehow that ended up the road a piece at MIM (which is in LA, too), and poof, now it's here. What do you guys think? beaz Edited by beaz
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| Cerney1 SwFans.Net Poster (8/10/00 10:45:51 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Conventional wisdom/legend has it that Icons used a reconstructed pyro model from the Lucasfilm Archives to build their X-Wing master. They molded it, cast it, cleaned up the casting, and used that re-worked casting as the master for their X. This is how their final product supposedly lost an inch in length, thanks to generational shrinkage. True..that is also what I have heard. I could be wrong, but I'm almost certain that the fuselage, wings & engines I got were pulled from that first round of molds, and that the MIM guys weren't pulling my leg - this is an Icons prototype. Probably. Why do I think that? 7) The R2 that came with the "prototype" is not R2D2. After staring at it for a while I realized I'd seen it before. It's the same R2 that sits in the Red One pics in Star Wars Chronicles (SWC). Here's a pic of the "prototype" R2 on the left next to the Icons X R2D2 on the right. The R2 in the middle is from SWC: That is what R2 looked like in SW. There was little deatil on him. 
I have a theory on the Kenner Luke & jockey figure. The Icons guys
created a new Luke for their X. If you look at Icons' Luke head, it's the
Kenner Luke head - they recast it! Bootleggers! As for the jockey? Well,
the Icons Luke body is a pretty lame sculpt that doesn't really match the
head in terms of quality. The Kenner Luke just didn't fit into the c0ckpit
(they did try by cutting him in half, though!). I think the seated jockey
They ( AL Z ) molded the kenner head 4 times to get it to Shrink enough to be in scale...then he sculpted the body..might have used the "jocky" as a guide not sure...but he told me that he remolded the KENNER. Frank Cerney |
| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (8/10/00 4:12:21 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Frank, Thanks for confirming some of my suspicions about this casting. Sorry if I seem a little too rev'ed up over a find like this, but a one generation away casting from an original Star Wars X-Wing model, pyro or not, is pretty exciting to me! This thing is already proving to be immensely useful as I redraw the plans I'm currently working on. Stay tuned... beaz |
| kaiburr SwFans.Net Poster (8/10/00 7:10:07 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Building
X-Wing 1/24 : Help!!
Beaz, That is enormously cool! Why can't I ever land on a find like that one on ebay? Please contact me as I'd love to chat about it's pieces! Nathan nkhyber@aol.com
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| Flintlock SwFans.Net Poster (8/12/00 12:27:03 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Hmmm... what
is going on?
You know I find it odd that the Matilda was never mentioned for this model... yet it has R2 Strip parts, and this hard to find REAR GUN WHEEL??? Or am I just mistaken? Take a look for yourself... Tamiya 1/35 British Infantry Tank Matilda... It looks like it, but it might not be... "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] Edited by Flintlock
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| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (8/12/00 11:56:35 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hmmm...
what is going on?
Flintlock, Actually, I mentioned the Matilda a couple months ago, about the same time that I posted this parts compilation pic: That's one of the Matilda road wheels above the Panther deck in the R2 Strip "section" of the picture. I may not have been clear about which part was the Matilda part. As for the elusive gun wheel, I don't see it in the Matilda. To me the key characteristics of this wheel are: 1) it's about 14mm in diameter, 2) it has a slightly raised circle in the middle (not the hole of course, which may have been drilled out by the ILM modelers, but the circle around the hole), and 3) it has twelve raised bolt heads. Here's a pic: I can't find a part like this in the Matilda kit I have. beaz Edited by beaz
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| DARKSIDE72
SwFans.Net Poster (8/12/00 9:52:07 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hmmm...
what is going on?
Beaz, how does this casting measure up to the maxi-brute? In terms of size and scale? I thought we had figured the maxi to be "almost" perfect as a base for this project. "I've got a bad feeling about this". Jamie
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| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (8/12/00 5:04:17 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hmmm...
what is going on?
Jamie, There's good news and bad news concerning the Maxi-Brute fuselage as to how it compares to the pyro casting I have. The Good News I think the Maxi is just the right length. I've measured the one I've cut up & it's almost exactly 19.75 inches from nose to tail, which is exactly what I get when I measure my 1:1 poster made from the overhead hero pic in AOSW. My prototype casting is about 19.6 and the Icons I have is a bit under 19.25. So that's around a 1% length differential between each fuselage. Martyn ("N werke") told me a while back that he thought the original master for the fuselage was probably 20" long - as he put it then it's a nice round number to start with and it would account for producing a casting that ended up being 19.75" long - considering a standard 1% to 2% shrinkage in urethane resin once cured. This seems to be a perfectly sound observation, and it's another reason why I think the Maxi-Brute fuselage is just the right length. When I scratchbuild my fuselage master, it will be 20" long, too. In several ways, the Maxi looks more like my pyro casting "prototype" than the final Icons fuselage does. As I said before, certain parts of the Icons fuselage got a heavy makeover, especially the area around the c0ckpit/canopy. One thing that was really bugging me about the Icons fuselage, was how thin it was when measured from the bottom of the c0ckpit area to the bottom of the keel. There's just no room for a decent armature tube under there & it wouldn't be centered even if you could put a teensy one in there. The original had a tube from nose to stern. This would be impossible with the Icons fuselage without running the tube through Luke's chest! My guess is that Icons had to make a comprimise here to add a nifty Luke figure to the c0ckpit. They scooped out the old c0ckpit, made enough room for their new Luke sculpt, and then made enough room for their re-worked c0ckpit to drop in over that. The net result is that they really changed the profile of that part of the fuselage in the process, and it doesn't look right to me. When measured top to bottom, side to side, there are variances of up to %15 between the planes of my Icons fuselage and my prototype fuselage. What's really funny is that the canopy of the final Icons version ended up being a bit bigger than the prototype canopy! Again, I can only guess that this was to accomodate the new c0ckpit & Luke figure. The combination of the thin fuselage around the c0ckpit and the over-sized canopy sitting on top has always bothered me when I look at the Icons X-Wing. In contrast, the Maxi c0ckpit area sits higher, and while it may be too high, the canopy is closer to being the right size, proportionally and there's plenty of room in there for a good armature & a decent c0ckpit & pilot figure. The Bad News Estes obviously reworked the geometry of their Maxi fuselage, probably to improve its airworthiness (it was meant to be a flying rocket, after all). The nose is over-sized and not tapered enough at the tip - it looks pretty chubby when compared to the other noses I have. Actually, it looks like a chubby... The "keel" on the bottom has been modified - I can post some comparison pics later if you want to see the differences here. This may be a minor concern to you as the bottom will be the least seen part of the model once built. The fuselage itself is somewhat "taller" when measured from the side, but not overly so, in my opinion. As we've already seen, the tail end cap is different, owing partly to the geometry differences in the forward section and partly to its own inaccurate geometry. Judgement Call Given the choice between the Maxi fuselage and a casting of the final Icons fuselage, I would choose the Maxi without hesitation, but only after building a new nose with a more shallow taper and less overall girth. beaz Edited by beaz
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| DARKSIDE72
SwFans.Net Poster (8/13/00 10:48:01 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Hmmm...
what is going on?
Thanks Beaz. So get a new nose.Lower the c0ckpit and the old maxi will be useable. At this point it almost seems like a good idea to scratch the entire thing.Jamie
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| kaiburr SwFans.Net Poster (8/14/00 8:57:22 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Scratch
Indeed! Well the most useful data to scratch build the ship of course comes from the rear piece. This establishes all the right angles one would need to get going. The angles on it elude me however. Especially the side bits that seem to hang over the back plate toward the bottom. I'm not sure how that area works in terms of design. Beaz, would it be at all possible to photograph the buttplate close up and overhead for me to agonize over? That would be most helpful! Nathan
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| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (8/14/00 9:57:08 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Scratch
kaiburr, As soon as I get a spare minute or two, I'll take some better pics & post them to my photopoint account. Most of the parts I have are nearly black, so getting useful pictures is tricky. beaz |
| belleauwood SwFans.Net Poster (8/16/00 9:39:06 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
X-wing wing
angle spread
Guys, Well, I’ve finally got my maxi-brute on the way . . . so I should be able to start getting REAL serious about this project soon. For now, though, I have no questions more burning that just WHAT the CORRECT angle of spread for the wings is. I have a bunch of vidcaps and other graphics that I’ve doctored up for my soon to be forthcoming website, all with a wide range of angle spread measurements. The four vidcaps that I consider the best I have show angles varying from a low of 32.5 to a high of 35. I’m looking right now unless someone has some info I don’t know about with using a spread of 33-34 degrees. Note that the otherwise poorly drawn Essential Guide blueprint shows a angle of about 32 degrees, giving me a nice frame of ref, though this artwork shows the wings when “X”’ed to be on the same line, which is dead wrong with other references out there. The only other source I’ve used to date is from the chronicles/art of/tech journal with the rear “butt” view of the X-wing, that one yields a measurement to my eye of about 30 degrees when measured from the center of the train/hatch part. Now, I know that from all my pictures that the actual measurement place isn’t dead center on all of them, but I have been unable to find any other simple, common measurement location from which to base the angle measurement. From simple inspection of the TJ pic I see from my eye that the wings DO NOT form a perfect “X”, at least on that model, which I think is pretty much agreed upon to be 1/24, instead its almost like 2 separate “V”’s with the narrow part of the “V” for a given wing pair having its vertex located on about the end of opposite side of fuselage. Does that make sense?? So, I guess what I’m asking is what are YOU planning on doing to get that trademarked “X”-wing look right?? Anyone have an opinion?? Ryan “This is MY force power, its called a BLASTER”
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| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (8/17/00 3:12:20 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
wing angle spread
belleauwood, You make an excellent point about the wing angles. I'd like to say it's the difference between the hero & pyro model construction, but I'm not sure it's as easy as that. I will say that the profile "trench" shots in the original ANH always bothered me 'cause the wings on those models look like they're too far apart. Again I don't know if that's because those profile shots are of only pyro models. Of course, when they explode... I'm sure it's a matter of personal taste, but I'm partial to the models that have the narrower wing spread. To me it looks sleeker and more menacing than the "spread-eagle" look. As for the symmetry of the wings, I think it's important to remember that these models are only seen for brief moments on grainy film, and they were built with that understanding. Under the light of day, they are asymmetrical, and have crooked guns and lumpy detail. One of the tricks to replicating these models, I think, is to stay true to the originals as much as possible while still building them up crisply enough so that they do hold up under close scrutiny. beaz |
| kaiburr SwFans.Net Poster (8/18/00 1:24:45 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
wing angle spread
All, One unaswered question I have is : what plane kit's landing gear was used to detail the Phantom engine nacelle? If we have yet to determine the exact plane, then has anyone found a reasonably close replacement? nathan
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| DARKSIDE72
SwFans.Net Poster (8/18/00 7:38:44 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
wing angle spread
I have a hunch on that one Nathan. An airfix 1/72 lancaster bomber. Jamie
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| kaiburr SwFans.Net Poster (8/18/00 9:00:10 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: X-wing
wing angle spread
Thanks Jamie, I'll go search for one. Pretty specific guess, I'd say. Do you have one of these kits? Nathan nkhyber@aol.com
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| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (8/18/00 9:47:48 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Landing Gear
Part
Guys, Before you buy anything, a word to the wise: I was sure the landing gear part was from a 1/72 Lancaster too. Bought six or so different Lanc models from Airfix, Revell, and Matchbox. Airfix retooled theirs in the late seventies & I have both the early one and the later one. Also bought a bunch of other 1/72 British plane kits from the 60's & 70's. I have yet to find this part. The Lanc parts I have come closest to matching the overall look, but they're all too big, and the detail isn't quite right. Still, I'm pretty sure this part is from a Lancaster kit. Have some other kit manufacturers in mind, just haven't tracked down copies of those yet. As always, if/when I find it, I'll post info here. beaz Edited by beaz
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| DARKSIDE72
SwFans.Net Poster (8/18/00 5:11:36 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Landing
Gear Part....
Beaz is correct, probably a little too big.It just stuck in my head as the correct shape.I built the 1/72 airfix as a kid ,still have it and have the tamiya 1/48 yet to build. The Lancaster has the correct detail. I used to have a hell of a passion for aircraft. I do think its from a british bomber.Halifax??,Mosquito,Wellington, I just cant remember the names.Jamie
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| Cerney1 SwFans.Net Poster (8/20/00 11:25:55 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
trains
I got my train. Twof them actually... and....WOW. Parts are great . Im dying to see whats on my project. There are bound to be some.
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| Flintlock SwFans.Net Poster (8/22/00 12:33:03 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
trains
Cool! I can't wait to get one (or 2). About that Lancaster, you guys say that 1/72 is too big? How big is too big? Maybe there is a 1/76 floating around somewhere... "Quite logically, the the total energy of the universe is exactly equal to zero" ] |
| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (8/22/00 2:19:46 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re:
trains
Hey, Flintlock, 1/72 and 1/76 are virtually synonymous when it comes to models 'cause they're so close in terms of scale. Best I can tell, 1/72 became a standard modeling scale while 1/76 became a standard toy train scale. There's lots of crossover. Depending on era and manufacturer, model kits that are advertised as 1/72 scale aren't necessarily 1/72 scale at all - some might be bigger, some smaller. Scale accuracy really didn't become an issue in modeling circles until the eighties. A lot of these cool looking Tamiya tanks we've been collecting are considered junk by armour aficionados 'cause many are out of scale and out of proportion, often to make room for the motors and batteries that were optional with these kits back then. Anyway, it's important not to worry too much about scale when looking for some old model airplanes like the one that donated a landing gear for the X-Wing back in '76. Many old kits didn't even specify a scale. Some old manufacturers' kits ran smallish in general. I'm thinking of Aurora and Frog, and others. Our Lanc - if it is a Lanc - could be one of these. beaz Edited by beaz
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werke SwFans.Net Poster (8/22/00 11:59:54 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Scale, wing
angles and such...
Beaz, excellent points. It's quite possible the parts are from an old Frog or similar non-scale kit that works out to 1/82.333 or something similarly weird in today's reckoning. I've got a Halifax somewhere, I'll check that when I find it but IMHO anything really close to 1/72 is going to be too big unless it's from a smaller plane than a big four-engined heavy bomber. Maybe a Mozzie or something... As for the wing angle, again Beaz I'd say you're right, IIRC the pyro models all had fixed wings, so they were probably just glued to the 'plates' on the fuselage sides weren't they? Re the 'two V's' hypothesis, it's easy to get the idea that the Xwings all had the same kind of axle as the MPC plastic kit - like in that photo with the wings on a C-stand. BUT, there is at least one pic (it's in Chronicles) showing a PAIR of axles side by side! I've mentioned it before. This will definitely cause the model to have a different wing angle. Cheers all, Martyn
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| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (8/23/00 8:27:35 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Scale,
wing angles and such...
Martyn, Guys, I think the picture you're talking about might actually show two motors, wired and ready, straddling the armature/wing mount. I'm guessing this because: 1) they had to put the motors in there somewhere, 2) and I've read that the original blueprint fuselage was made bigger to accommodate the motors necessary to open/close the wings. As always, I could be wrong! As for the differences in wing splay evident in the movies, I now believe that the reason for this is in fact due to the differences between the hero & pyro models. As you say, the pyro wings were attached fixed to plates on the fuselage. But probably more important is the fact that the hero & pyro models had slightly different rear fuselage profiles. Huh? I've been really studying the casting I have over the last week or so and I've come to a few more conclusions. Open your SWC to the X-Wing pages, brethren... 1) I'm completely convinced that what I have is a casting of a pyro model. Look at the "X-Wing Cast Pieces" kit pic in SWC. Looking closely at my fuselage casting, I can see faint but obvious evidence of a seam line right down the middle of the top and bottom. The pyro fuselage castings were split vertically, into left and right sections, while the hero fuselage was split horizontally, top and bottom. The seam on my casting is consistent with the pyro "kit" parts. Also, look at the Saturn V 3rd stage parts in that pic. They're all cast from the same part (instead of two different ones) and are devoid of additional surface detail. The prototype I got has one exact duplicate of this part. Finally, the R2 strip for the hero models wraps around R2's shoulders, while the R2 strip for the pyro models merely butts up against R2. The strip on my casting is of the latter variety, again, a copy of the R2 strip in the pyro "kit" picture. 2) One thing that really bugged me about the Icons X was that the rear plate detail was sort of truncated, like the original plate didn't fit into the space they made for it, so they trimmed a bit off at the top & bottom. I thought this must be due to shrinkage, etc., etc. but the rear plate casting that came with my pyro casting is identical. It's a smidge bigger, but it's been similarly truncated. So what? 3) Comparing the butt-end of the pyro casting I have to the butt-end of the hero pics & drawings I've made, it seems to me that the hero & pyro fuselage castings were pulled from molds made from different masters. The rear of the hero fuselage is a bit deeper and a smidge wider than that of the pyro fuselage and the facets on the rear fuselage of the pyro models are a bit shallower than those on the pyro models. This is the main reason for the difference in wing-splay, in my opinion. I have some comparison drawings that I'll post as soon as I get around to it. Does it matter? Depends on your point of view. I'd like to scratchbuild a fuselage that's modeled after the hero models so that it looks the same when compared to the pics of the hero models. All the pics I've seen are of hero models, I think. I doubt that ILM took beauty shots of the pyro models, which weren't constructed or finished out as nicely as the heroes. Of course, it seems that most if not all of the three-dimensional source material available to me (Estes Maxi-Brute, Icons X-Wing, the pyro casting, & probably the AMT models), is based on the pyro model design, not the hero. beaz Edited by beaz
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| kaiburr SwFans.Net Poster (8/23/00 9:01:08 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Scale,
wing angles and such...
Beaz, Does the blueprint illustration in the Chronicles book reflect the "hero" model (as it is an innaccurate read for the "pyro")? I've wondered about this drawing for a while now. Nathan
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| beaz SwFans.Net Moderator (8/24/00 7:46:55 am) Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Scale,
wing angles and such...
kaiburr, I don't really know where those blueprints fit in at this stage. I guess it would be helpful to check & see if they're accurate in terms of general proportions. They certainly don't provide much insight into the complexity of the planes on the rear fuselage area from the c0ckpit back, which is easily the trickiest part of the model, IMO. beaz |
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werke SwFans.Net Poster (9/4/00 11:29:00 pm) Reply | Edit | Del |
Motors
etc
Beaz, all, (sorry, another long one) >I think the picture you're talking about might >actually show two motors, wired and ready, straddling >the armature/wing mount. >As always, I could be wrong! Nope, I think you're probably right! Both your points are good. Ahhh, good, that makes things easier. >As for the differences in wing splay evident in the >movies, I now believe that the reason for this is in >fact due to the differences between the hero & pyro >models. As you say, the pyro wings were attached >fixed to plates on the fuselage. But probably more >important is the fact that the hero & pyro models had >slightly different rear fuselage profiles. Huh? Aha! This would tie in to somet |
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